Talk:Digimon Adventure (series)
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Is tri. not showing up on 1 timeline 2 years ago really enough evidence to say it's non-canon, now? Especially when it is explicitly referenced in Kizuna and Beyond, with the latter even being after said timeline was shown? KiraraKidohara (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Could had been an alternate Meiko. The Tri. plotlines are not being followed and Hurricane Touchdown and Tri. were absent from the official timeline (see here). Meiko and Wallace are definitely canon though.--R13 (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- "Could be" as in not a definite fact. That's just an assumption/headcanon. The fact is characters that are exclusive to both those movies have continued to appear in sequel animations to this day. There are also multiple interviews that have repeatedly stated that Hurricane Landing and tri. are in continuity with the rest of the series. Something being absent from 1 instance of an official timeline doesn't make it non-canon. There's nothing to suggest that that timeline is even meant to be representative of every single piece of canon media in the Adventure continuity. It could simply be featuring a selection of events. It's not like it individually lists every single episode, either. But, either way, since when is it a job of a fan wiki to dictate canon? Wikis list facts. These movies have never been stated to be non-canon, so listing them as such is only an assumption, far from definitive proof, especially when said assumption is contradicted both on-screen and in interviews. KiraraKidohara (talk) 07:50, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- I hope you guys don't mind me stepping in. I think canon or non canon is a very strong word to use in this context, since everything in Digimon is canon by definition. Eg. When some people claim that Appmon "are not canon", it just doesn't make sense, so I think it's also important to provide some context in the case of tri. so the reader can understand what it is trying to be implied by that. There is some evidence that suggests that tri. may branch out into its own Adventure continuity (I don't recall what was the issue with Hurricante Touchdown). As KiraraKidohara has stated, the film series have also been stated to be part of the main continuity of Adventure in previous interviews as well, so I personally would point that out, something along those lines, to convey that idea. It is also true that the fact that Meiko and Wallace appear in some other media aside from their original films it might not be necessarly conclusive anyways. In that hypothetical timeline, the Chosen Children might have met them, but that doesn't mean that the events might have happened in the same exact way, I think it's also important to point that out. We have a clear example of that scenario with Ryo Akiyama. What happens in the WonderSwan videogame series doesn't necessarly fit into the events of Adventure and Tamers (for example, it is stated that Ryo was Agumon's first Tamer, unlike what it is explained about the Chosen Children in the main series). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:50, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Hurricane Touchdown wouldn't fit anywhere in the 02 timeline. Theoretically it would happen between 02 Episode 14 to 15 (cannot happen by 16 to 20 since they are invading the Digimon Kaiser's base) but Tailmon and Patamon cannot Super Evolve, lest be evolving into Holy Dramon and Seraphimon. If it would happen between Episode 20 to 25, Daisuke should be able to recognize Magnamon's egg as well (note that it's very unlickly that Cherubimon can do memory manipulation so Daisuke would forget Magnamon exist when de-aged).--R13 (talk) 11:00, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- I think KiraraKidohara is correct in any case, as neither tri. or Hurricane Touchdown are stated to be "non-canon". I can understand wanting to "Dragon Ball timeline" the Adventure series, you could definitely look at some of the Digimon Adventure films and games in the way you would the Z films, GT, Daima, Super, etc. That said, Kizuna, The Beginning, and now Beyond all reference tri. and Hurricane Touchdown to varying degrees so there's no reason to consider them non-canon based on the official material. As for the timeline, an abridged timeline (as an image presented in a video) describing important events for the context of The Beginning ahead of its release isn't the same as a full and canon-only timeline of events. Wallace plays no actual role in The Beginning, but Armagemon does have a background role (in that it helps establish where events in The Beginning itself take place in the timeline). Beyond makes no such exclusions. I think including a note about contradictions is more than enough for tri. and Hurricane Touchdown and any other anime projects, although it would need to be added to the WonderSwan games as well (per Shadow Shinji's point above).--NightwingFan (talk) 11:56, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- What I am referring to is this BTW. Note that the Diablomon movies are literally there but both Hurricane Touchdown and Tri. are not. This is before 02 the Beginning aired (and given Beyond very explicitly references it and Daisuke still owns a ramen shop, it would fit firmly between Kizuna and the timeskip), so take it as what you will--R13 (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- That’s exactly what I thought you were referring to, an abridged timeline that can fit the aspect ratio of a standard YouTube video, in relation to the important events as context for the upcoming (at the time) release of The Beginning, is not the same as an actual statement of canonicity. To put it in perspective, tri. could have been hypothetically advertised with a timeline that excludes the 02 films because none of the 02 cast or movie events plays a role in the events of tri., as there would be no reason to mention it necessarily. The idea of a branching continuity isn’t even mentioned in the video as well, so that is an additional assumption being used here (which I can understand, it’s how I approach other franchises like Dragon Ball as I mentioned before). However, it’s misleading to visitors of this site to conflate the perspective of fans with the facts of any given product or project. That timeline would make more sense being included as an image for the The Beginning page, with a blurb like “these Digimon Adventure stories are the ones deemed relevant to The Beginning” or something. Anyways, my stance right now is that notes on contradictions would be more helpful for a visitor or user.--NightwingFan (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- What I am referring to is this BTW. Note that the Diablomon movies are literally there but both Hurricane Touchdown and Tri. are not. This is before 02 the Beginning aired (and given Beyond very explicitly references it and Daisuke still owns a ramen shop, it would fit firmly between Kizuna and the timeskip), so take it as what you will--R13 (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- I think KiraraKidohara is correct in any case, as neither tri. or Hurricane Touchdown are stated to be "non-canon". I can understand wanting to "Dragon Ball timeline" the Adventure series, you could definitely look at some of the Digimon Adventure films and games in the way you would the Z films, GT, Daima, Super, etc. That said, Kizuna, The Beginning, and now Beyond all reference tri. and Hurricane Touchdown to varying degrees so there's no reason to consider them non-canon based on the official material. As for the timeline, an abridged timeline (as an image presented in a video) describing important events for the context of The Beginning ahead of its release isn't the same as a full and canon-only timeline of events. Wallace plays no actual role in The Beginning, but Armagemon does have a background role (in that it helps establish where events in The Beginning itself take place in the timeline). Beyond makes no such exclusions. I think including a note about contradictions is more than enough for tri. and Hurricane Touchdown and any other anime projects, although it would need to be added to the WonderSwan games as well (per Shadow Shinji's point above).--NightwingFan (talk) 11:56, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Hurricane Touchdown wouldn't fit anywhere in the 02 timeline. Theoretically it would happen between 02 Episode 14 to 15 (cannot happen by 16 to 20 since they are invading the Digimon Kaiser's base) but Tailmon and Patamon cannot Super Evolve, lest be evolving into Holy Dramon and Seraphimon. If it would happen between Episode 20 to 25, Daisuke should be able to recognize Magnamon's egg as well (note that it's very unlickly that Cherubimon can do memory manipulation so Daisuke would forget Magnamon exist when de-aged).--R13 (talk) 11:00, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- I hope you guys don't mind me stepping in. I think canon or non canon is a very strong word to use in this context, since everything in Digimon is canon by definition. Eg. When some people claim that Appmon "are not canon", it just doesn't make sense, so I think it's also important to provide some context in the case of tri. so the reader can understand what it is trying to be implied by that. There is some evidence that suggests that tri. may branch out into its own Adventure continuity (I don't recall what was the issue with Hurricante Touchdown). As KiraraKidohara has stated, the film series have also been stated to be part of the main continuity of Adventure in previous interviews as well, so I personally would point that out, something along those lines, to convey that idea. It is also true that the fact that Meiko and Wallace appear in some other media aside from their original films it might not be necessarly conclusive anyways. In that hypothetical timeline, the Chosen Children might have met them, but that doesn't mean that the events might have happened in the same exact way, I think it's also important to point that out. We have a clear example of that scenario with Ryo Akiyama. What happens in the WonderSwan videogame series doesn't necessarly fit into the events of Adventure and Tamers (for example, it is stated that Ryo was Agumon's first Tamer, unlike what it is explained about the Chosen Children in the main series). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:50, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- "Could be" as in not a definite fact. That's just an assumption/headcanon. The fact is characters that are exclusive to both those movies have continued to appear in sequel animations to this day. There are also multiple interviews that have repeatedly stated that Hurricane Landing and tri. are in continuity with the rest of the series. Something being absent from 1 instance of an official timeline doesn't make it non-canon. There's nothing to suggest that that timeline is even meant to be representative of every single piece of canon media in the Adventure continuity. It could simply be featuring a selection of events. It's not like it individually lists every single episode, either. But, either way, since when is it a job of a fan wiki to dictate canon? Wikis list facts. These movies have never been stated to be non-canon, so listing them as such is only an assumption, far from definitive proof, especially when said assumption is contradicted both on-screen and in interviews. KiraraKidohara (talk) 07:50, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- "Tailmon and Patamon cannot Super Evolve, lest be evolving into Holy Dramon and Seraphimon." Yes they can. It's already established in the cartoon that Tailmon was able to evolve to Angewomon due to a one-off miraculous powerup. That's the same kind of thing happening here. We've also had official timelines in the past that explicitly included these two stories, so there would need to be a really good reason to throw out those multiple sources in favor of this one.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 13:32, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Could had been an alternate Meiko. The Tri. plotlines are not being followed and Hurricane Touchdown and Tri. were absent from the official timeline (see here). Meiko and Wallace are definitely canon though.--R13 (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- are people claiming theyre non canon? they included tri and HT in the physical booklet that came when you watched beginning in the movie theatres (it was the same picture as above, but expanded to include more anime). the source people throw around is just a list of media the devs said to watch before this one that were relevant to the 02 movie. the 02 kids arent in tri, so it wasn't mentioned. anyone putting it as non canon is just pushing their own bias. and as mentioned, the producer of kizuna said tri and HT were canon to kizuna so if anything was "non canon", itd be beginning due to it "not being in the same as tri and HT". Muur (talk) 13:36, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- actually wait, we literally have an interview from a beginning producer that says tri is in the same timeline? here Muur (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Translate to English, preferrably find a Japanese site.--R13 (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Thanks everyone! I'm not the best with my words. All of you explained what I was trying to say a lot better than I could have! KiraraKidohara (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2025 (CST)
- I have read the linked interview (I speak Spanish), there is no mention of tri. not even a reference or nod to it. There is just a quick mention to the duality of Last Evolution Kizuna and The Beginning talking about the closure and the origin of the Chosen Children world view, respectively. It is also said that The Beginning is set in 2012, and it has passed 10 years since the events of 02 (2002). Plus I have compiled both the booklets for the two films, there is no mention of tri. in those timelines, here and here. Interestingly enough, in the booklet of The Beginning it is mentioned Hurricane Touchdown indeed despite tri. being absent. The argument about tri. not being mentioned in the most recent timelines of events because the 02 cast has a small role cannot be taken as factual, since there is also mention of every other product even the ones from the original series, with barely any representation of them.
- Thanks everyone! I'm not the best with my words. All of you explained what I was trying to say a lot better than I could have! KiraraKidohara (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2025 (CST)
- Translate to English, preferrably find a Japanese site.--R13 (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- actually wait, we literally have an interview from a beginning producer that says tri is in the same timeline? here Muur (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2025 (CST)
- Can anyone provide those interviews in which tri. is acknowledged as part of the main timeline? I recall it was mentioned during the production of Last Evolution Kizuna, back in 2019-2020, but I cannot be sure about that at the moment. It is also important to note that the Japanese case of the Last Evolution Kizuna BD-box included tri. My personal impression is that, for some reason, they tried to retcon tri. from the main chronology during the production of The Beginning.
- Muur I have told you this several times before, here we are a community and it's very important the way you approach others. Several people have intervened in this thread and we have kept it respectful and thoughtful towards the rest, assuming there is bad faith in what other editors do right off the bat, it's not the way to go, I hope the moderators take notes. Treat others the way you want to be treated.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 12:16, 23 December 2025 (CST)
