User talk:KiraraKidohara

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Do you know how to use the reference? I fixed some pages with reference errors, such as Hookmon, Catch Mamemon.--Yuetmoon (talk) 05:09, 26 October 2021 (CDT)

Oh! Sorry. I'm new at this. Thanks for showing me what I was doing wrong! I'll do better from now on! Sorry again for making you fix my mistakes.. KiraraKidohara (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2021 (CDT)

psychemon[edit]

That card doesn't have psychemon unless the wikimon page is wrong which if so the card page needs correcting.Muur (talk) 01:47, 31 October 2021 (CDT)

Read this card: DM-125. That card game has several cards with effects that treat there names as other Digimon for evolution, they released an entire Subspecies set where that was the gimmick. I saw that other users listed the card that listed Goburimon as a pre-evolution for Shamamon, instead of the Shamamon card that says to treat its name as Goburimon, so I have been doing the same. KiraraKidohara (talk) 01:52, 31 October 2021 (CDT)
should prob include a hidden comment with the justification cus otherwise people just gonna go ???Muur (talk) 02:14, 31 October 2021 (CDT)
Good idea. I will try to keep that in mind. KiraraKidohara (talk) 05:14, 31 October 2021 (CDT)
guess we'll have to se if they errata sangloupmon or not.Muur (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2022 (CST)
I'm gonna hesitate to add Sangloupmon to every Purple Lv.4's page for now. Just in case it does get an errata.KiraraKidohara (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2022 (CST)
it did https://digimoncard.com/rule/rule_change/ Muur (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2022 (CST)
Thanks for letting me know! I'll correct the relevant pages now. Glad I waited to add it to every page! KiraraKidohara (talk) 21:55, 18 February 2022 (CST)


bombernanimon[edit]

I actually think someone must've typoed on the dub wiki because why would an ultimate and rookie fuse to become a champion? in addition, this guy tried what the stats claim and it didnt happen: https://twitter.com/Ryu_Kreya/status/1428376815823900682 so it mustve been a typo maybe "terriermon" insteaed of "tekkamon"? they both start with "te". either way, it doesnt seem that tekkamon+mushroom = bombernanimonMuur (talk) 19:54, 14 March 2022 (CDT)

this guy says its *impmon* who fuses https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/937344-digimon-world-dusk/76155692 Muur (talk) 20:00, 14 March 2022 (CDT)
Oh! I just got it from this page: Digimon Story: Sunburst and Moonlight Guide#Jogress Evolution. I saw it on Tekkamon's page, but not Bomber Nanimon's page, so I checked there. I thought it was a little weird, but I've seen weirder evolutions in the franchise, so I just thought it was one of those oddities. I'll correct those pages when I get a chance, and I'll also double check that list to add any that are missing. I already noticed the Igamon Jogress isn't listed on its page. I'll get started on that later today. Thanks for letting me know! KiraraKidohara (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2022 (CDT)
the twitter user (replied to him lol) mentioned he would try out impmon with mushroomon, id assume thats the actual accurate fusion though. if it was just two rookies i wouldn't have question it, but tekkamon evolving backwards makes no sense maybe the original person who did it meant bombernanimon can fuse *to* tekkamon, not tekkamon *to* bombernanimonMuur (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2022 (CDT)
It looks like most of those on that list were unaccounted for. I will work on adding them over the next few days. KiraraKidohara (talk) 05:03, 15 March 2022 (CDT)
I don't think you can fuse three Digimon together in Dawn dusk can you? So some of them shouldn't work. Prob means or instead of being a three way fusion.Muur (talk) 08:08, 15 March 2022 (CDT)
There isn't a way to fuse 3 Digimon, but there are several Digimon that can be created from fusing 2 of any combination of 3 certain Digimon. I'm assuming that's what those mean. KiraraKidohara (talk) 08:22, 15 March 2022 (CDT)

"any wind guardians perfect digimon"[edit]

the ones limited to that card game anyway... dont wanna mislead anyone. like, Toropiamon is a perfect wind guardian.Muur (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2022 (CDT)

I just copied a similar usage from other pages. None of the Hyper Colosseum cards specify that, and there are dozens of usages of them saying "Any Adult/Armor/Hybrid/Perfect/Ultimate/Cyborg/Nature Spirits/etc". I didn't know the Alpha Card Game got special treatment? KiraraKidohara (talk) 08:42, 21 March 2022 (CDT)
we should specify for any.Muur (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2022 (CDT)
I'll remember that for the future, then. I fixed the Hybrid edits I did yesterday. KiraraKidohara (talk) 10:14, 21 March 2022 (CDT)

appmon[edit]

I don't really know (or care) about anything to do with appmon but you can't put things unsourced like here https://wikimon.net/index.php?title=Navimon_(Appmon)&diff=next&oldid=392025 Muur (talk) 02:20, 29 March 2022 (CDT)

https://wikimon.net/BT1-33 Chimera-gui (talk) 02:47, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
I was more worried about the bolding.Muur (talk) 03:00, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
It's bolded on Sukasimon's page. I just copied that. If it being bolded on Sukasimon's page is wrong, I had no idea. Sorry. Actually, literally every AppFusion is bolded. I just assumed that was done on purpose. KiraraKidohara (talk) 03:08, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
bolding is for storyline canon and profile canon, if that evolution didnt happen in those it shouldnt be bolded and all evolutions should be sourced. I cant really do anything about appmon myself, but thats how things work. if its a card game evo, it shouldnt be bolded.Muur (talk) 11:29, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
I was just copy-pasting what was already on other pages. Every Appmon has all their evolutions bolded. I thought it was that way on purpose. Sorry. I did some more research, and it appears 1 user bolded them all (or at least the ones I noticed): User talk:Magna. And, I see in that user's talk page that they were called out on bolding random Digimon that weren't supposed to be bolded... I'm sorry. I didn't know that before hand. It looks like almost every Appmon need to be unbolded, then. It's a lot, but I'll start unbolding them a few at a time. It may take awhile to correct all of them. As for sources, almost every Appmon evolution is unsourced, but many were added by bolded users, like User:Digimonx. All I did was copy-paste what these users already did.. I'll ask some of those users what their source is, though. And, if they get back to me, I'll work on slowly adding them, too.. KiraraKidohara (talk) 16:03, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
Actually, User talk:Magna wasn't the only one... Every Appmon evolution User:Digimonx added is also bolded... I don't want to undo anything done by a bolded user without proper evidence, so I am holding off on unbolding evolutions until Digimonx has a chance to explain why they're bolded. Maybe they know something we don't. KiraraKidohara (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2022 (CDT)
As expected, the 3DS game is the source. I just wanted to make sure before adding it. One of the users got back to me and directed me to the info I needed. I will slowly get to sourcing all them. I am still waiting on more info for the bolded evolutions. KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:11, 29 March 2022 (CDT)

shoutmon x4[edit]

actually, based on the wording of the card i dont think it counts as an evolution even with it technically being digixros. you play shoutmon x4, then can put the digimon under him similar to how cards like dorugoramon work. youre not actually evolving those guys into shoutmon x4, youre playing shoutmon x4 from the hand and then placing cards under him. not actually evolution so that should make things easier if the wording is as it says. so its an on play, not an on evolution, and as such doesnt count as evolving to shoutmon x4. shoutmon x4 only evolves with his red or yellow lv3 for 3 costMuur (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2022 (CDT)

DigiXros isn't Evolution, either, and this is officially a DigiXros. If this shouldn't be in the Evolution section, then neither should any of the DigiXrosses. KiraraKidohara (talk) 21:25, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
previous times they were. DigiXros is a form of evolution. But in this card game the wording means it's not. That sort of thing is important for certain card effects. It's not the first time they've used the term for something not actually evolution. DigiXros in next order is two Digimon using their special attack at the same time. Alphamon has blast Digivolution as an ability in cyber slueth where it buff his stats so that's an instance where an ability is named after a form of evolution just like here. EX1-073 (DCG) when this machinedramon is summoned you can put cyborgs under him.Muur (talk) 21:47, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
In both the anime and manga DigiXros is explicitly stated to be separate from evolution, with that even being a major plot point in the manga. Should all the anime and manga DigiXrosses be removed from the Evolution lists, too? DigiXrosses go in the Evolution section. This is a DigiXros. There's literally no ambiguity, unless you think the anime and manga DigiXrosses should also be removed, since they are also explicitly established as not being evolution in those continuities? And, your Mugendramon example is completely and totally irrelevant. The card does not call that a DigiXros. Shoutmon X4's card calls this a DigiXros, and DigiXrosses go in the Evolution section. Again, unless you want to remove all other non-evolution DigiXrosses? KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:04, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
Also, if you want to talk about card game mechanics: In Hyper Colosseum several of the Hybrid and Armor Levels cards have Fusion or Appearance Requirements, and as such are not evolutions by game mechanic, yet are labelled as Spirit Evolution or Armor Evolution. KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
I guess it can be up for debate on if those should count or not too. They prob shouldn't but I guess they do say spirit evolution. Confusing times. Will wait for more opinions. You're doing the work anyway so whatever. It'd be less work to go with them not counting. Also, the anime etc DigiXroses are different to this I can't agree with that reasoning.Muur (talk) 22:22, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
How are they different? They are both DigiXrosses that do not count as Evolutions in their respective continuities. It's the exact same thing, except 1 is a card game, and 1 is an anime. Last I checked, this wasn't just an anime wiki, it's a wiki for the entire franchise, and as such should include info for the entire franchise, not just the anime. You are right, though: It would be less work not to include accurate information, but that defeats the entire purpose of a wiki, if we just ignore information that makes for slightly complex edits. The Evolution section of pages isn't only for evolutions, it's for similar mechanics as well, like DigiXrosses and AppGattai. So, it doesn't make sense to selectively exclude non-Evolution DigiXrosses when other non-Evolution DigiXrosses and non-Evolutions in general aren't excluded. KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
is Shoutmon able to evolve to Dorulumon and ballistamon? I thought they could but someone on WTW mentioned it doesn't say ignoring colour requirement so maybe he can't? Right now I don't know whether he can or can't or if durulu would be limited to only yellow lv3 xros heart (starmon) and ballista green (???mon). Green sparrowmon maybe?Muur (talk) 23:35, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
That only applies to evolution effects. This is an evolution requirement, just like the Blue KausGammamon card with an evolution requirement to evolve from Gammammon. It doesn't say to ignore color requirements, either. It's only cards with effects that say to evolve a Digimon that have to say ignore requirements. Also, if it only applied to that color, then what would be the point? They already evolve from their respective color for the same cost. KiraraKidohara (talk) 23:40, 14 April 2022 (CDT)
i notice you dont have bt-8 kimeramon in your evo list stuff for every adult and ultimate digimonMuur (talk) 00:14, 29 April 2022 (CDT)
Because Chimairamon can be every color, due to its effect, so it's listed as a Perfect of every color, the same way Gigadramon is treated as Black and Red, due to its effect. I only list it separately under "Evolves From White Lv.5" due to White cards rarely evolving from each other. KiraraKidohara (talk) 02:10, 29 April 2022 (CDT)
couldn't it just be listed under every colour in lv5 since it evolve from every lv4 and to every lv6 like betsumonMuur (talk) 08:46, 29 April 2022 (CDT)
I don't think I understand what you mean, because it sounds like you're saying exactly what I already did when the card first came out? And, I just checked, and it's still listed in every Lv.5 list, just like you're saying, so idk what you're trying to say? KiraraKidohara (talk) 19:31, 29 April 2022 (CDT)
I had searched the name kimeramon forgetting it wasn't his jp name so is a my badMuur (talk) 22:38, 4 May 2022 (CDT)
Oh! Np. I sometimes accidentally use names without the space like the dub (so MetalGreymon, instead of Metal Greymon), and have to go back and correct it. Accidentally using dub names is an easy mistake. KiraraKidohara (talk) 23:22, 4 May 2022 (CDT)
my suggestion for shoutmon king is to write something like "any digixros in the 2020 card game (with the relevant digimon)" and then link to a section that lists what all the digixroses are and then say shoutmon king can be used in place of any of the digimon on this list. that way it relegates them all to one line. since shoutmon king can digixros to so many guys. makes future digixroses covered under the same line as well. people can click it to see who the relevant digimon are that he fuses with to become the guysMuur (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2022 (CDT)
Good idea! I made that edit before bed yesterday, and I was trying to think of a less messy way when I woke up. I'll clean things up later today, using your idea! Thanks! KiraraKidohara (talk) 19:15, 5 May 2022 (CDT)

Evolutions from DCG[edit]

Why do you keep adding Digimon to the evolutions of many and reference them to cards that has nothing to do specifically with it? For example in the Cyclomon page you added a reference to SkullGreymon card that has nothing to do with Cyclomon. Ezzaroth (talk) 15 October 2022

its a purple card that can evolve from red. so because you cant put that under any purple lv4 digimon, because red isnt't purple, it has to be listed separately. only way to do it.Muur (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2022 (CDT)
It's exactly as Muur said. Cyclomon is a Red Lv.4 and the EX1-062 (DCG) Skull Greymon is a Purple Lv.5 that evolves from Red Lv.4s. Cards that evolve from Colors other than their own need to be added to those respective cards' pages, since they aren't covered by Any Red Lv.5 Digimon from the Digimon Card Game or Any Black Lv.5 Digimon from the Digimon Card Game on Cyclomon's page. KiraraKidohara (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2022 (CDT)
You can literally just use Any card that also evolves From Red Lv.4 from the Digimon Card Game. Ezzaroth (talk) 16 October 2022
I have considered something like that before, but I was worried it'd be a bit too wordy or awkwardly worded. Though, I think that's worded a bit cleaner than the ideas I had. It would also require going back and updating hundreds of previous pages. I think I took over these updates from Muur, so I've been mostly following their lead. Muur? You still here? What do you think? With the growing number of these "exceptions" that have to be listed, do you think transitioning to utilizing Ezzaroth's idea would be better? Seems like a large change. I wouldn't want to make that decision unilaterally. If others besides me and Ezzaroth think it's a good idea, I'll start updating pages accordingly going forward. That said... Going back and removing all the links to specific Digimon thus far may be too much for me to handle... Copy/pasting this new link is one thing, but scanning through hundreds of previous pages to remove every redundancy... I'm not willing to commit to such a monumental task. Which is part of why I haven't suggested this until now. I'm willing to change my methodology going forward, but idk beyond that... That's not to say I never would, I'm just not willing to say I definitely will. KiraraKidohara (talk) 02:39, 16 October 2022 (CDT)
i mean those sections didnt exist when i did it. i dont really care either way since im not the one doing it. seems like that section accidentally ended up solving a problem. switching the links to this way is prob fair.Muur (talk) 21:50, 16 October 2022 (CDT)
I'll use that method going forward, then. But, I don't intend to go back through all ~1000ish previous pages to remove all previous links. Just too much work... KiraraKidohara (talk) 01:09, 17 October 2022 (CDT)
Changed my mind. Leaving something undone bothers me. It'll probably take a month or so, maybe more or less, but I'll slowly begin updating older pages, too. KiraraKidohara (talk) 03:12, 17 October 2022 (CDT)

raremon[edit]

i mean, the wikis decided before not to count things like dudes turning into raremon in xw and dudes turning into machinedramon in world 1/next order due to them being a thing everyone can evolve to like an evolution crystal in the world games. youd need to list soulmon, muchomon, and snowagumon from world 1, and then shoutmon, tokomon, and gotsumon from next order turning into machinedramon with the same reasoning but as i said unless someone higher up decides hey lets count these they had decided not to count raremon and machinedramon evos due to said reason. but if you want these on you need those machinedramon ones too from teh two world games. Mugendramon does not have those 6 digimon listed, and they dont list mugendramon. there was also the time lilithmon was turned into gekomon the wikis decided not to count.Muur (talk) 01:52, 13 December 2022 (CST)

If the wiki decided not to, I won't argue further, but Gyukimon is the same and it's listed on Ryudamon's page, and Lilithmon is listed on Monzaemon's page for similar reasons, and I think I've seen others, I just can't recall them all. I was just basing it off those that I had already seen. Personally, I would think those evos you mentioned should be mentioned too, since they were explicitly shown, but that's just my opinion, and I won't argue if it was already decided not to. KiraraKidohara (talk) 02:40, 13 December 2022 (CST)
gyukimon actually got removed from ryudamon's page when the episode first aired, so if its on there again then someone edited it back in and no one noticed. from what i understand, putting any digimon bit by a gyukimon on his page is what was decided on rather than ryudamon specifically, and its not meant to be on ryudamon and other pages as its a generic thing. like, the card game is only red digimon etc which is why we list them. the thing about monzaemon is a fair point, but a note was added to say "Lili used the Bewitching Hairpin item on her Monzaemon to make it evolve into Lilithmon in Digimon World Re:Digitize." to make it clear it was not a natural evolution. if ryudamon is listed with gyukimon but a ref note says that all digimon bit will become it then it'll be similar. generally, pages are meant to list natural evolutions, or specific evolutions (armor, hybird) so things like evolution crystals and being bitten by gyukimon go against that (burpmon too). the evolution crystals of redigitze were allowed (the storyline ones) with those notes to say theyre not natural evos (same for morphomon/eosmon from kizuna, where morphomon's data was directly edited to change her into eosmon, so wasnt natural so is listed with a note) so i guess using the same reasoning evolutions like ryudamon to gyukimon and shoutmon to machiendramon could be listed as long as a note is placed to state like "in digimon ghost game, a ryudamon was bit and became gyukimon. all digimon bit by gyukimon become gyukimon". "in next order, a shoutmon fell to the bh program curse and was turned into machinedramon. the bh program turns a digimon into machinedramon" etc. so yeah, the main point is to try and make sure people dont think ryudamon to gyukimon was a natural canon evo that happened as a natural thing, he wont become it if hes not bitten its not a proper evolution. so with notes like monzaemon its probably fine?Muur (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2022 (CST)
In that case, I could add those notes, if it would be acceptable? Should the evolutions be bolded since they are story evolutions? Or, unbolded since they are unique cases? KiraraKidohara (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2022 (CST)
theyre bolded on morphomon, monzaemon etc. Those were accepted with the note explaining what happened so it should be fine for things like raremon and machinedramon? Someone else might disagree but if it's fine for monzaemon and others it should be fine here too. (there's also burpmon). The original issue with those was implying monzaemon > to lilthmon was a natural evo. By adding the note it allowed it to be added whilst stating it wasn't a natural evo.Muur (talk) 04:27, 13 December 2022 (CST)
In that case, I will get to adding notes! Are all the Mugendramon ones you mentioned due to the BH Program? The Gyukimon and Raremon ones are the only 2 I know the exact context for, but I can add the others if I know what the notes should be. I also do not know the context for Lilithmon turning into Gekomon. You also mentioned Burpmon? That's from the LR Digimon Twin. Are you suggesting I add it for all the Digimon in that device? Or, is there a story context evo to Burpmon that I'm unaware of? KiraraKidohara (talk) 04:35, 13 December 2022 (CST)
I think some pages do list burpmon as a digimon's evo. Not all tho. The bh program was in next order and turned you into machinedramon (happens to tokomon, Shoutmon, and gotsumon). Mirei scans the DW and learns *every single Digimon in the entire world* has been infected and everyone is a ticking time bomb. Unless you cure it (which you do) eventually the world will just be billions of machinedramons. Who, via the program, want to destroy the world. So analogman's plan was to do this. Have billions of machinedramons running around. It started in the post game of world 1 (muchomon, snowagumon, soulmon) though would be assuming too much to say it was the bh program then too. You just fight machinedramons in post game and after beating them they revert to those three Digimon and they're like yo wtf? Same happens in next order so it was a story continuation (with Mameo saying he had been fighting machinedramons for over a decade). So I guess it can say any Digimon effected by the bh program (brain hack program is the full name) and that everyone in next order would eventually become one and it it happens to those three Digimon). The trio from world 1 is a harder note to think up as you're not told what happened. You just beat up machinedramon then it reverts to one of the three guys who go wtf. As for lilthmon, Apparently the lilithmon thing has Bagramon remove lilthmonms soul and swap it with a gekomon so I supppse that wasn't evolution and was just body swapping. Funny tho.Muur (talk) 04:49, 13 December 2022 (CST)
I could leave the note vague, something like: In Digimon World 1 these Digimon became Mugendramon. Thanks for the help! I'll get to editting the relevant pages right away! KiraraKidohara (talk) 04:53, 13 December 2022 (CST)