Talk:Digimon Liberator

comic

they called it a comic/コミック, doesnt seem to be a manga. they refer to dreamers as a manga/漫画.Muur (talk) 14:20, 23 December 2023 (CST)

Comic and manga are exactly the same thing. Here, Japanese comic are uniformly called manga.--Yuetmoon (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2023 (CST)

not really. if liberartor ends up being a coloured comic book you read right to left instead of black and white you read left to right that'd straight up not be manga. i looked at their twitter, they referred to v-tamer, next, and dreamers as 漫画 and this as コミック. this is intentional.Muur (talk) 20:37, 23 December 2023 (CST)

Liberator publishes web comics, unlike v-tamer, next and dreamers which publish them on paper. As for web漫画 and webコミック, they are basically the same.--Yuetmoon (talk) 03:30, 24 December 2023 (CST)

Reading left to right is not exclusive to manga; there are several other works in japanese literature meant to be read that way. AFAIK it's more of a tradition thing. Also, some western manga releases are reformatted to be read left to right; that does not make them not-manga. Also also, there are manga in full color. As much as I think distinguishing manga from comics is not meaningful information (granted, neither is it harmful), for what it's worth, there is a precedent in this Wiki with the Battle Terminal 02 tie-in Digimon Web Comic. ShikaSS (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2024 (CDT)

Little note here. On the latest presentation they referred to Liberator as a "vertical scrolling manga", so yeah it seems like they use "[web]comic" as a subset inside the manga category. I think we should treat this as we treat OVAs as a subset of anime. ShikaSS (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2024 (CDT)

Character Decklists

Given the premise so far and how the official site even lists the characters' deck types, decklists for each character seems like it'll be a relevant addition. How would they be listed on the characters' pages, especially if they use actual Card Game cards? If they use multiple separate decks, how would they be organized? Of course, this will depend on what the webcomic actually shows in terms of card details. --YongYoKyo (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2024 (CDT)

Should be simple enough to be like:

lv4= bt?-??? x4, bt?-??? x3 lv5= bt?-??? x4 etc

we can probably use the same box used by video games for simplicity like this;

• ST1-01 - Koromon x4

• ST1-02 - Biyomon x4

chapter 0 didnt list any numbers tho, and we should prob mention on the pages that owen used agumon/wargreymon and zenith used a galacticmon. during digimon con, one of the card game guys explicitly stated shoto would be using the IRL pteromon starter deck and you can see what cards are in it during the manga before you see the IRL cards. altho maybe we want a custom one as the card game doesnt use lv1, and hybrids/armor need to fall under the relevant level. we'll also need a tab for lv7 that doesnt say super ultimate. so this exact temaplte but with lv2-7, and as well as options for option cards and tamersMuur (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2024 (CDT)

I doubt such cards would appear in Liberator, but there are also non-leveled Digimon cards (e.g. Reaper) and even non-Lv.2 Digitama cards (e.g. Yggdrasill_7D6) to account for. --YongYoKyo (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2024 (CDT)

making a new template that lists numbers instead of level names is basically all thts needed. start with lv2 and end with lv- i guss, then have space for option crds and tamers.~ Muur (talk) 00:19, 12 March 2024 (CDT)

Card appearances

How should we track the appearances of cards? Characters and Digimon have "Appearances" in their pages, but cards only show themselves and the data associated with them. With actual card appearances in Liberator (for example, BT11-100 (DCG) being used by Arisa), should we add an Appearances/Manga/Digimon Liberator section to the card pages themselves? --Blaze Dragon (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2024 (GMT-3)

Evolution Appearances

I've noticed that the evolution appearances in the comic are being cited as generic card requirements. I disagree with this approach. While Liberator is based on the DCG, it is not the DCG. It is a narrative work, first and foremost. What's being cited is not the evolution requirement listed on a card, but the actual specific instance of evolution in the narrative context of Liberator. Even if a specific card evolves into several different Digimon throughout the course of Liberator, you would just cite each evolution as a separate citation, as you would with branch evolutions in any other narrative. If they show the literal card itself, you could justify citing the evolution requirements (but you might as well just refer to the card itself). --YongYoKyo (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2024 (CDT)

theyre playing cards from real life, its just tobucatmon evolving from a lv3 yellowMuur (talk) 00:33, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

Yes, but again, this is Liberator, not the real life card game. We're not citing the real life card. We're citing a specific evolution that card underwent in the plot of the comic. The narrative specifically chose to evolve to Tobucatmon out of all the possible Lv.4 Yellow. That is an evolutionary path specific to Liberator, not some generic "mono-Color Lv.X Digimon". --YongYoKyo (talk) 00:54, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

my take on it is that the comic is so far very blatantly mimicking the mechanics of the specific released decks. The cards that are being used to evolve to other cards match out of the deck in St 18 and st19. The visualization scenes show The evolution cost mechanic, straight from the card game, and for most of the evolutions so far, well it can be inferred who they evolved from by assuming the players are using standard tactics, we're already seeing that they don't explicitly show The evolution each time, and we can expect that to continue. Well there is some faint Yu-Gi-Oh in, in terms of what are specifically cards having stats or abilities not quite the same as the published version of the card, the overall approach is pretty clearly to treat it as if it's watching them play the card game that you can play in your own home, and it's far closer to how early Yu-Gi-Oh had the characters using holograms to show the card battle, versus Digimon tamers where the actions of the card game were somehow being mirrored in the real digital world between real Digimon.

so, based on just these first two chapters, we can pretty safely assume there's going to be a lot of evolutions we're all we know is the level in color of the previous form, and given that so far everything is depicted as just following the standard rules of the game, I think it would make more sense to treat it as if that's the kind of evolution that was being depicted: an evolution following the standard rules of the game.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 11:14, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

Even so, just because evolution follows a standard ruleset doesn't mean the exact evolutions that happen within the narrative are disregarded as specific cases. You're treating Liberator as if it was an interactive media where there isn't a 'canon' sequence of actions within duels because the audience has the choice of doing something else through the 'gameplay'. That isn't what's happening here. The audience has no control over the narrative. Liberator is a fixed narrative where there is only a singular canon sequence of actions within duels.

Any evolution that happens within that narrative is its own unique instance within the plot, regardless of whether it adheres to rules that allow the possibility of other evolutions in that same instance (but ultimately didn't occur, which is the important part). For example, Arisa evolved Junkmon to Tobucatmon during her duel with Shoto within Chapter 1. That is a literal plot-relevant evolution (even if how relevant is debatable), and there is 0% chance of it being a non-canon event where she could've evolved Junkmon into something else because the rules allowed so. To disregard narrative in favor of gameplay is ridiculous when citing a narrative work like Liberator.

Moreover, there are multiple possibilities of cards evolving to/from a different Color (e.g. alternative evo-conditions, through a card's effect, or simply just being able to evolve from a different Color). In fact, there are multiple cards in the Liberator-themed EX-07 that can evolve from a non-native Color (primarily the Lv.3 cards). Without actually seeing the card itself, you're making a subjective assumption that it's a case of a generic evolution from the same Color. Only being given its Color, the only thing you can really safely assume is that the card can evolve into other cards that evolve from its own Color. --YongYoKyo (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

we list the evolution stone evos in the world games as "any perfect digimon with digimon's evolution stone" (e.g., Lilithmon). evolutions are only listed as coming from specific things if its a specific evolution. also did you look at the comic? when arisa evolves junkmon to tobucatmon, it shows a yellow bubble over its head with a 2. because she evolved to a yellow digimon paying 2 cost. unless she never duels again, whos to say she doesnt evolve her pawnchessmon or shoemon to tobucatmon? the card doesnt say "evolves from junkmon for 2 cost", it says "evolves from yellow lv2 digimon". lilithmon says "Any Perfect Digimon with the Bewitching Hairpin" because, well, it works on any lv5 digimon. like how this tobucatmon trading card can evolve from any lv3 yellow digimon. once we have a shit tonne of duels happening over the next year in both the comic and novel were gonna see a lot more "evolves this guy from a lv5 purple", etc. these are not specific evolutions. tobucatmon isnt a natural evolution of junkmon, a trading card was used and thats covered under "any lv3 yellow digimon". theyre literally just playing the trading card game. Muur (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

Again, Liberator is not the DCG. While it is based on the DCG, Liberator is its own fixed narrative separate from the DCG, which lacks a narrative in itself. It's not a narrative within an interactive media, unlike the World games. If Arisa's Junkmon evolves into a different Digimon than Tobucatmon, then we would just list that evolution as a separate evolution, as we would in any narrative work. Arisa's actions are not an inherent part of the DCG. We're not card players controlling Arisa, nor are we card players interacting with Arisa within the gameplay of DCG.

That also still doesn't address that you're assuming the cards' evolution conditions, which could potentially be completely wrong. You're assuming it doesn't say "evolves from Junkmon for 2 cost", but it could say that. Without knowing the exact card, Tobucatmon potentially could also have evolved from Junkmon using a secondary evo-condition of, for example, a Lv.3 Digimon with the [Puppet] trait. Sure, you could infer from pre-existing cards, but assuming that the Blucomon-line cards really are Black, that's already an example of a card(s) that doesn't exist in real life. Again, Liberator and the DCG are separate, even if related. --YongYoKyo (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

" To disregard narrative in favor of gameplay is ridiculous when citing a narrative work like Liberator"

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying the evolution wasn't canon, I'm saying that, in universe, it's portrayed as "from level 2 yellow". I have no objections to bolding that evo, but I'm arguing that the intended "from" is the dcg format.

"Without actually seeing the card itself, you're making a subjective assumption that it's a case of a generic evolution from the same Color."

no, I'm saying that the color and cost that's explicitly depicted during the evo is the intended from. When extyrannomon evolves, it depicts the Evo cost in a colored bubble, which is the symbol the card game uses to specify "cost x from level # color digimon"

". Without knowing the exact card,"

bandai Twitter posts have, iirc, specified that shoto and arisa are using essentially st18 and st19, with small variations. It's very safe to assume they're using those cards, and that discrepancies are either errors or some kind of effect like the tamer cards they can earn from passing quizzes.

KrytenKoro06 (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

as seen here in this screenshot i made, the comic literally outright shows her pay 2 cost to evolve it from yellow. the circle shown that my pic points to is the evolution requirement she paid - 2 cost for a yellow digimon.Muur (talk) 17:11, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

Again, while the rules of evolution adheres to the DCG format, the medium itself is not the DCG, nor is it an in-game narrative of the DCG itself. The variations that exist between the actual card game and Liberator still exist, no matter how 'small'. While Junkmon being able to evolve into any Lv.3 Yellow Digimon may be intended the DCG format, Arisa choosing to evolve it into Tobucatmon is a narrative action independent from the DCG.

At most, I'd agree with two independent citations, one for the card itself (i.e. Lv.3 Yellow Digimon) within the gameplay format of Liberator's in-universe DCG, and one for the specific evolution (i.e. Tobucatmon) within the narrative format of Liberator itself. After all, there are potentially cases where a card and its evolution conditions are shown in Liberator, but it may not actually be played or evolved.

While you've mostly convinced me of the assumed evolution conditions of the card itself (but still a separate case from the narrative instance), a crucial detail that is lacking before I accept the example of "Evolution Cost" as evidence is the counterexample of the opposition. What is the Cost symbol for an evolution of an alternative condition? If there isn't one, can you confirm that they wouldn't—for example—default to a bubble of the same Color as the pre-evolved card? --YongYoKyo (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

As a general rule: There is a hard divorce between "Evolutions you, as the player, cause" and "Evolutions you, as the audience, watches" and the dub wiki does not even allow the former to be listed in infoboxes.

What Arisa performs is, and I want to stress this, no different than what a real life player using her structure deck would be doing. Just because the Evolutions are part of Liberator’s narrative does NOT actually make them true narrative-based Evolutions by the strict definition the wikis adhere to. It’s like saying Taiga’s Agumon Digimaru will become MetalGreymon because Taiga as the player avatar can influence Digimaru to do so.

For all intents and purposes, we as the wiki need to treat characters in Liberator as being people playing the real life card game because that is exactly what they, narratively speaking, are: card game players, not Tamers in the classical sense like Generals, Hunters or Chosen Children. Chimera-gui (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

the entire point of this comic and novel is to sell trading cards. the final shot shows shoto with cards in his hand. if someone play a multi-coloured card and evolves it from a single colour card, itll be displayed the same way. do you actually play the card game? or know anything about it? these are unusual questions.Muur (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

"As a general rule: There is a hard divorce between "Evolutions you, as the player, cause" and "Evolutions you, as the audience, watches" and the dub wiki does not even allow the former to be listed in infoboxes.

What Arisa performs is, and I want to stress this, no different than what a real life player using her structure deck would be doing. Just because the Evolutions are part of Liberator’s narrative does NOT actually make them true narrative-based Evolutions by the strict definition the wikis adhere to. It’s like saying Taiga’s Agumon Digimaru will become MetalGreymon because Taiga as the player avatar can influence Digimaru to do so."

Now this is the issue. You agree that there is a difference between the former and the latter, with a priority on the latter. However, Liberator is the latter by all technicalities, but you're doing mental gymnastics to treat it as the former. Yes, what she's doing is no different from a real life player, but she's not a real life player. An actual player is beyond the narrative. Just because she acts like a player within the narrative, doesn't mean she's actually beyond the narrative like a real player too. She's a character that only exists in a narrative, independent from the real life card game. We, the audience, are still ultimately watching a character whose actions we have no control over. You're also not looking beyond the 'player'. The cards themselves are heavily implied to be real Digimon, at least a portion of them. They're no longer just 'cards', but actual characters themselves that exist beyond the card game. That's already far beyond the realm of 'treating it as people playing the real life card game'.

The Taiga example is also irrelevant, because A. the narrative of Re:Digitize is an integral part of the game itself (Liberator is the opposite; the game is part of the narrative, but not vice versa. DCG can exist without Liberator), and B. Arisa is not a player character or even a side character you can interact with. Again, Liberator is a fixed narrative where we watch characters act out without any external control or influence from the audience.

Also, I wasn't talking about different Color evolutions, but alternative conditions independent from Color (i.e. specifically named Digimon or those with specific traits). Besides, marketing an external product doesn't mean it's restricted to the rules of that product. Tamers was very loose in how it incorporated Hyper Colosseum, and Ghost Game had very little to do with exercising. --YongYoKyo (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

three people disagree with you, so you don't really have a majority here. as for "specific" ones, those usually have a lower evolution requierment. e.g., the extyrannomon card arisa used evolves from lv4 yellow for 4 cost, or raremon for 3 cost. she paid 4 cost to evolve it from tobucatmon, so if she had evovled it from raremon we wouldve seen her pay 3 memory instead. the card game is very specific, and if you look at that tobucatmon card she used its literally the one from her IRL starter deck. and dont forget - the in universe digimon liberator is just a video game in universe you can play the card game on. shoto and arisa play in real life too, using real cards. the duel in chapter 0 between owen and zenith was using real life cards. the 2020 card game exists in universe just like our universe, theyre just playing a video game version and they also have real life cards too. it is still evolutions happening via card game mechanic. this is just like if they were to create a trading card game in real life, like those ps1 games. yes, she evolved her junkmon *trading card* into a tobucatmon *trading card*. those were not real digimon, they were yugioh holograms. shoemon and pteromon are real though, so it should be interesting to see how thehy evolve!!Muur (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

I never said anything about representing the majority. Also, that still doesn't address my initial question. You just deflected it into a different issue. Even if the card game is very specific, it's still an in-universe card game as opposed to the real card game. The same Yu-Gi-Oh! card can have wildly different effects between anime, manga, real card game, and video game. Likewise, there will likely be discrepancies between Liberator and the DCG as the Liberator-specific aspects are expanded on, like the Tamer card rewards, or if real life cards don't suit a particular purpose in the plot. Just because a narrative incorporates real life elements doesn't mean it's no longer a narrative. The Digimon evolve through the card game mechanic because that's what the narrative dictates, not the other way around.

Also, Shoto's Muchomon was fully capable of speech, implying it's a real Digimon, or at least possesses artificial intelligence (which is basically 'real' for a Digimon). --YongYoKyo (talk) 20:45, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

"but alternative conditions independent from Color (i.e. specifically named Digimon or those with specific traits)"

this is a fair concern. We don't know yet how they'll do special evo requirements. I would guess that it will be similar to how they explain jamming and rush, with that sort of box, if they do it at all, but it's definitely true that it's an unanswered question right now.

I would like to stress, though, that so far it's not just that the real life cards *can* evolve in this way -- as in the image muur showed, the comic is using a specific graphic that has a defined meaning in the card game. It would be like showing a fire stone graphic in the Pokemon anime, or an atb bar graphic when cloud does a limit break in an ff7 animation. What the image is showing is that the "evolve from yellow" condition is explicitly being met.

"Also, Shoto's Muchomon was fully capable of speech"

while this is true, shoto and arisa express surprise at shoemon speaking. This indicates to me that muchomons lines were probably meant to be seen as npc preprogrammed lines without personhood behind them -- basically a turing test. "Townton looks lovely today"

KrytenKoro06 (talk) 20:51, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

I understand that the graphic has meaning in the card game, but that doesn't mean it can't retain its meaning while allowing ambiguity. The image could just represent the action of "evolving from a Yellow", which is a valid interpretation of its use in the real card game, rather than the condition of "must evolve from a Yellow". Hence my initial example of "defaulting to a bubble of the same Color as the pre-evolved card".

As for their surprise to Shoemon, while that is a possible theory, there was also plenty for them to be surprised about in that situation. For example, Shoemon being an unknown Digimon that has never had a published card (in-universe), or Shoemon being a wild Digimon acting without a card. The theory that they instantly recognized non-programmed speech patterns seems unrealistic. Normally, players would first assume it's some sort of special dialogue, before concluding it's not part of the game. Even when Shoto was attacked by the Frozen Knight in a clearly anomalous situation, he assumed it was a special event or a glitch. If anything, their surprise indicates that 'wild' Digimon normally can't talk without being tied to a card. --YongYoKyo (talk) 21:19, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

To be honest, I'm a little iffy on even bolding the card game mechanic, but I suppose it's a decent compromise. There does seem to be a distinction drawn between "real" Digimon like Pteromon and Shoemon, and the card-summoned Digimon. The latter evidently follow the rules of the both the real and fictional game and are not sentient. Yes, we see the players making decisions to evolve them certain ways, but I don't think that it fits with the spirit of why some evolutions are bolded. At this point we don't have much to go on. Maybe later chapters will demonstrate that the card Digimon can exist as characters independent from the mechanics of the MMO, but for now, I'm going to say we don't treat them as character evolutions. Besides, it will probably save significant space, since the same Digimon card could be evolved any number of different ways before the series is finished. --TMS (talk) 23:50, 4 May 2024 (EST)

yeah, the arisa starter deck allows shoemon, pawnchessmon white, pawnchessmon black, and junkmon to evolve to tobucatmon and the other lv4 digimon in her deck. so in a standard duel she could have any of those 4 evolve to tobucatmon - and then in terms of "characters" thats *technically* four differnet tobucatmon if you go by "characters". and whos to say she wont modifiy her deck and replace junkmon with something else? all of this is covered under "lv3 yellow digimon" and the"fictional card game" is literally just the real life card game. theyre using the same cards we have. digimon liberator in universe is just a program inside LACUNA that allows you to play the digimon card game online with holograms and what not. Muur (talk) 22:57, 4 May 2024 (CDT)

And even if we assume that Digimon in Liberator are the equivalent of Duel Spirits in Yugioh or, better example, Creatures in Duel Masters and by extension Kaijudo thus Muchomon and Junkmon are no less real than Pteromon and Shoemon, Junkmon’s Evolution to Tobucatmon is the equivalent of Lili using a Digicore to induce Catherine’s Digivolution to Lilithmon with the Tobucatmon card as the analogue of Lilithmon’s Digicore. Chimera-gui (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2024 (CDT)

as a followup, the new chapter seems to establish that frozen knights digimon have black bubbles even when the card is shown to be blue. It's certainly odd that they're mixing iconography like that, but it does mean we can't rely on the colors anymore.

at the same time, we are getting clear pictures of the cards being used (to the point that bandai is established as existing in universe), so we can know for sure which cards are being used. In regards to the anomalous muchomon, I guess it's either an error or a tamer card.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2024 (CDT)

and chapter 2 has both muchomon and pteromon evolve to galemon, so yeah, "any lv3 green".Muur (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2024 (CDT)

parnters

not really sure if we should have pages for the secondary partners, and even primary for some characters. because they have 4 copies of each in their decks usually - and this is relevant because:

muchomon:

vs arisa, a muchomon dies. he appears to evolve a second muchomon to kokatorimon. so this is two different muchomon.

vs frozen knight.

he has two copies in his hand. a third is destroyed in security. he evolves one of the ones from his hand from fluffymon, then evolves it to galemon. so three differnet muchomon are used here (and maybe a 4th, this duel isnt over).

pteromon also evolves to galemon.

so we now have six different muchomon (the original is a different muchomon card, so thats at least 5 muchomon. maybe 6, if he has 4 in his current deck). we now have two differnet galemon (one evolving from pteromon, and one evolving from muchomon) meaning Galemon (Liberator) now refers to two different "characters".

frozen knight's blucomon: he has thus far used two differnet blucomon.

unless we state on pages that these pages represent more than one of each species, this doesnt actually work. their partners aren't sinuglar. shoto having at least differnet muchomon, for example. and only one of them evovled to kokatorimon, and one of them to galemon. they also werent the same copy, as the muchomon who evolved to kokatorimon is a differnet card to the one who evovled to galemon.Muur (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (CDT)

• I was thinking about this as well. Chapter 1 didn't show a disconnect between the Partners and their cards (Junkmon/Tobucatmon shows clear personality upon being played) but Chapter 2 makes it very clear that Pteromon the Digimon is not Pteromon the card. I have no idea how to handle this honestly at this point, but it seems like it'll go the way of "cards one way, Digimon the other". That said, Junkmon and Muchomon are specifically called as Partner Digimon...but they're unlikely to keep mattering in the future with Pteromon and Shoemon, "real" Digimon, joining the cast. This confusion is why I haven't updated any pages with Chapter 2 yet, once we know how to continue, I'll update summaries and what-not as usual if no one has done it before. --Blaze Dragon (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2024 (GMT-3)

i could probably just copy paste my version from the dub wiki (changing terms to jp terms)Muur (talk) 16:46, 17 May 2024 (CDT)

The web novel has clarified this a great deal. The cards are separate from the Partners, but the Partners can infuse their consciousness into the cards and make them their bodies. Impmon and Funbeemon both do this in DEBUG.1-2 and 2-2 as Loudmon/Heavymetaldramon and Vespamon/Queenbeemon, respectively. With this, the situation in the comic is now, at least as I see it:

1. Muchomon and Junkmon/Tobucatmon in the Shoto vs Arisa fight are their Partners, as they show clearly their personalities
2. Muchomon in the Shoto vs Frozen Knight fight is not the Partner, as it shows no personality and also Shoto's current Partner at the time is likely Pteromon
3. The Pteromon/Galemon/Grand Galemon used during most of the fight are also not the Partner Pteromon, who's currently leading Shoto from the D-Storage, but the last Pteromon evolved from Fluffymon IS the Partner, as we see Pteromon's consciousness jumping into it and Pteromon specifically states he'll enter combat
4. We can probably delete the Blucomon (Liberator) page entirely. It has no actual personality and is likely just there to show the players that Frozen Knight starts with Blucomon in battle --Blaze Dragon (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2024 (GMT-3)

Chaotic did something similar in that players in-universe scanned the real creatures of Perim, attaining digital cards which could then be used in the arena: Functionally a copy of the real creature in question that the player controls by infusing the copy with their own consciousness Chimera-gui (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2024 (CDT)

unless the next part says differently, the current galemon on the field evolved from muchomon. i guess he could have the power to take over any of the digimon in his evo line, even if it evovled from someone else. but that does show the muchomon in this duel straight up arent really digimon? cuz now pteromon will be in control of muchomon's actions/brainMuur (talk) 14:45, 23 May 2024 (CDT)

That's not what the page shows though. It just shows "DIGIVOLVE", a Galemon appearing, and Pteromon leaving the D-Storage (what I said of the Fulffymon > Pteromon also didn't happen, shouldn't trust my memory). We don't know what this Galemon evolved from and the manga tends to skip steps. That said, I genuinely have no idea how far the possession stuff goes. Yuuki's Impmon could be both Beelzebumon and the Punkmon line as shown in DEBUG.1 and we aren't told if that line even started as an Impmon card, same for Saikiyo's Funbeemon who takes over Vespamon and Queenbeemon but we're never shown if she started as Funbeemon. It's a bit confusing, but at the very least we know the partners can take over card Digimon but aren't all of them. --Blaze Dragon (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2024 (GMT-3)

galemon was on the field the turn before. it and grandgalemon attacked. he attacked with both galemon and grandgalemon (muchomon > galemon / pteromon > galemon > grandgalemon). unless they outright state multiple turns were skipped without either side attacking - he evolved his muchomon. the memory gauges even support his. theres a 99.9% chance that the muchomon on the field is his galemon that pteromon just took over. they even said snowagumon was dead (muchomon's inherited kills a digimon). i dont think any turns were skipped here, just a few off screen evolutions (and snowagumon dying). the galemon on the field right now evolved from muchomon. he was shown to have started his turn with 3 memory and then shown to have evolved to grandgalemon whilst on 1 memory to end his turn (with a double vortex attack). that means he evolved a lv3 to galemon off screen for 2 cost, and muchomon was the only lv3 on his field.Muur (talk) 16:16, 23 May 2024 (CDT)

Unite the categories

Right now we have separate categories for the Manga and Web Novel. This seems useless, every page that affects one, affects the other, they're too tightly interconnected. Characters from the novel routinely appear in the manga, every single term affects both. As things are, they are very repetitive. I'd say just leave the following categories:

• Digimon Liberator (main pages for the manga and novel plus stuff like D-Storage, Lacuna, Unique Emblem; would itself be part of both Manga and Novel categories)
• Digimon Liberator characters (every character page, whether they're from the manga or novel, since they all coexist anyways)
• Digimon Liberator chapters (manga chapters)
• Digimon Liberator (Web Novel) chapters (novel chapters) --Blaze Dragon (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2024 (CDT)

cameos dont really count.Muur (talk) 23:15, 13 October 2024 (CDT)