Talk:Dark Area (Iliad)
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So... This page seems to be largely fanwank? The citations to Crusader chapters don't actually contain the information it claims they do? Anyone want to explain this, or should I just delete the page?
- Each Digital World has its own Dark Area, including Iliad. Those are facts, not fan theories. I haven't checked the citations from Crusader yet, but erasing the page would imply erasing key information (just because you don't know how to handle it wiki-wise?). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 00:39, 12 December 2022 (CST)
- If the Crusader stuff is bull (which, considering how short the cited "chapters" are, that would seem to be the case), then I don't see the point of the article, since it would merely be repeating information from the main Dark Area article. --TMS (talk) 03:07, 12 December 2022 (EST)
- I don't see much of a problem deleting the last two paragraphs that talk about beelzemon and titamon since those are the ones with the less evidence, but the rest of the information is just factually true. We already know thanks to the Digimon Profile that each digital world has its own Dark Area, so the existance of the page is valid, no need to delete it. We also know from Plutomon's profile and from Digimon Crusader that Plutomon is the one who governs this specific Dark Area and what kind of methods he employs. Cerberusmon WW mode's profile also mentions its connection with the Dark Area, and since this digimon was created as Plutomon's pre evolution (and we see him take this form in Digimon Crusader) I don't see why we shouldn't include it in this page--Convergencia Digital (talk) 04:53, 12 December 2022 (CST)
- Still seems a little superfluous, but I'll let the page exist. Just stick to verifiable facts in future. --TMS (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2022 (EST)
- Will do! :) Since you are here already, Do you think it would be a good idea to make a page for El Evangelio? There are many many profiles that talk about the flames of the Dark Area an its uses, so I think it would be good to have a page dedicated to store all of that information!--Convergencia Digital (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2022 (CST)
- I'm not sure that we can confirm that the flames mentioned in the various profiles are always El Evangelio, since the latter might be a certain type of Dark Area hellfire (Beelzebumon X's profile sounds somewhat ambiguous). I would stick to covering Evangelio and other uses of Dark Area flames on the Dark Area page, if it's not covered already. --TMS (talk) 15:35, 12 December 2022 (EST)
- Regarding the Plutomon profile -- it simply does not mention the Dark Area, it says "realm of the dead". It's possible that it is the analogue of Anubismon on Digital World Iliad, but it could also be like Vamdemon where it's simply ruling some kingdom of Undead Digimon on the surface.
- Regarding the Cerberusmon profile -- I think the biggest stumbling block to me is that Crusader's setting is not 100% synonymous with the concept of Digital World: Iliad described in the profile lore, and that the specific iteration of Cerberusmon WW in its profile is the exact individual that appears in Crusader. Each bit of story seems to be playing with related concepts, sure, but it feels to me like a reach to claim, in the wiki's voice, that all three must be intended to be speaking about this specific event -- it feels like constructive synthesis to me. Basically, I don't think we can say with no reasonable doubt that the profile Cerberusmon is an individual in Iliad, that the profile Cerberusmon is a form of Plutomon, and that put all together we can claim that the authors clearly intended the specific sequence of events listed in the article. I mean, just on a very basic level -- we've seen Plutomon, Vulcanusmon, Titamon, Cerberusmon, and Cerberusmon WWM in Digital Worlds which clearly were not Iliad, like Ghost Game, Survive, New Century, Re:Digitize, Cyber Sleuth, Next Order, ReArise, Frontier, Adventure:, Savers, Xros Wars, and many others.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 12:19, 9 December 2024 (CST)
- I still don't see the point of this page. There's no reason the information couldn't go on the main Dark Area page. Also just found out a page called "Dark Area (Witchelny)" exists, which should also be deleted, especially since, apart from its redundancy, it's one measly sentence. --TMS (talk) 19:39, 9 December 2024 (EST)
- I'm not sure that we can confirm that the flames mentioned in the various profiles are always El Evangelio, since the latter might be a certain type of Dark Area hellfire (Beelzebumon X's profile sounds somewhat ambiguous). I would stick to covering Evangelio and other uses of Dark Area flames on the Dark Area page, if it's not covered already. --TMS (talk) 15:35, 12 December 2022 (EST)
- Will do! :) Since you are here already, Do you think it would be a good idea to make a page for El Evangelio? There are many many profiles that talk about the flames of the Dark Area an its uses, so I think it would be good to have a page dedicated to store all of that information!--Convergencia Digital (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2022 (CST)
- Still seems a little superfluous, but I'll let the page exist. Just stick to verifiable facts in future. --TMS (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2022 (EST)
- I don't see much of a problem deleting the last two paragraphs that talk about beelzemon and titamon since those are the ones with the less evidence, but the rest of the information is just factually true. We already know thanks to the Digimon Profile that each digital world has its own Dark Area, so the existance of the page is valid, no need to delete it. We also know from Plutomon's profile and from Digimon Crusader that Plutomon is the one who governs this specific Dark Area and what kind of methods he employs. Cerberusmon WW mode's profile also mentions its connection with the Dark Area, and since this digimon was created as Plutomon's pre evolution (and we see him take this form in Digimon Crusader) I don't see why we shouldn't include it in this page--Convergencia Digital (talk) 04:53, 12 December 2022 (CST)
- If the Crusader stuff is bull (which, considering how short the cited "chapters" are, that would seem to be the case), then I don't see the point of the article, since it would merely be repeating information from the main Dark Area article. --TMS (talk) 03:07, 12 December 2022 (EST)
