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Hey, who wants to help me do something nearly impossible?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/3/32/Wisemon_b.jpg http://cards.wtw-x.net/images/Bo-1004%20Wisemon.jpg

Digimon Alphabet.

Fun!KrytenKoro06 21:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I knew this day would finally come! I'll help out! --Ainz 22:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The sad thing is, I can already tell it's not his bio, and that's really the only thing I was expecting it to be. It's not just the entire alphabet like in Savers, either. So we're looking at some ridiculous essay, which might not even be related to Digimon (for all we know, it could be the character designer's resume or two weeks notice).KrytenKoro06 22:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


Added some more. Some ga may be ze, ke may be e, ra may be something else?KrytenKoro06 09:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Judging by the last two rows, I can't see any meaning. Do we want to even continue with this? Is there any way Wisemon appears in the Battle Terminal, with really high resolution?KrytenKoro06 02:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I might try and see what remaining characters I can find and if I can't, I'll probably just give up. If only there was a way of contacting Bandai about this... --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 07:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Akashic Record[edit]

Digimoji Script[edit]

After a 5-year "hiatus", below is an updated list of the Digimoji of the first two pages. --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 06:55, 26 August 2014 (CDT)

Progress

Digimoji extracted:
Page 1: 215/215 (100%)
Page 2: 216/226 (95.57%)
Overall: 431/441 (97.73%)
Lines decoded: 36/40 (90%)
Reference images:
File:Dch-5-891_front.png
File:Wisemon_re_collectors_card2.jpg
Bo-1004
Page 1 (0 remaining) Line No. Page 2 (10 remaining)

Dcwa w.pngDcre w.pngDcha w.pngDcwa w.pngTest3.pngDczu w.pngDcmo w.pngTest4a.png (8/8)
Dcsu w.pngDcbe w.pngDcte w.pngDcwo w.pngDcshi w.pngDcru2 w.pngDcmo w.pngDcno w.pngDcna w.pngDcri w.png (10/10)
Dchi3 w.pngDcto w.pngDcha w.pngDcko w.pngDcko w.pngDcro w.pngDcno w.pngDcyo w.pngDcri w.pngDcdo w.pngDcko w.pngDcro w.pngDcwo w.png (13/13)
Dcmo w.pngDcto w.pngDcme w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcki w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcru2 w.png (9/9)
Dcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDcmo w.pngDcma2.pngDcta2 w.pngDcso w.pngDcno w.pngDchi3 w.pngDcto w.pngDctsu w.pngDcda w.png (11/11)
Dcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDcto w.pngDcha w.pngDcna w.pngDcni w.pngDcka3 w.png (7/7)
Dcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDcha w.pngDce w.pngTest4a.pngDcde w.pngDca w.pngDcri w.png (8/8)
Dcso w.pngDcno w.pngDcchi w.pngDcyu w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.pngTest4a.pngDcha w.pngDche w.pngTest4a.pngDcza w.pngTest3.pngDcshi w.png (13/13)
Dcso w.pngDcno w.pngDce w.pngTest4a.pngDcshi w.pngDcyu w.pngDcu w.pngDcha w.pngDcdo w.pngDcko w.pngDcni w.pngDcmo w.pngDcna w.pngTest3.png (14/14)
Dcso w.pngDcre w.pngDcra w.pngDcha w.pngDcshi w.pngDcme w.pngDctsu w.pngDcshi w.pngDcna w.pngTest3.pngDcga w.png (11/11)
Dcse w.pngTest3.pngDcse w.pngTest3.pngDcshi w.pngDcshi w.pngDcme w.pngDctsu w.pngDcsu w.pngDcru2 w.png (10/10)
Dcba w.pngTest4a.pngDcbu w.pngDctsu w.pngDcga w.pngDcso w.pngDcre w.pngDcra w.pngDcno w.pngDcpa w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcchouon2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcni w.png (14/14)
Dcshi w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcga w.pngDctsu w.pngDcte w.pngDcke w.pngTest3.pngDcse w.pngTest3.pngDcsa w.pngDcre w.pngDcru2 w.pngDcto w.png (13/13)
Test3.pngDcwa w.pngDcre w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcru2 w.png (6/6)
Test3.pngDctsu w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcno w.pngDcke w.pngTest3.pngDcshi w.pngDcki w.pngDcde w.pngDca w.pngDcru2 w.png (12/12)
Dcse w.pngDcka3 w.pngTest3.pngDcno w.pngDcna w.pngDcri w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcchi w.pngDcha w.pngDcko w.pngDcu w.pngDcde w.pngDca w.pngDcru2 w.png (14/14)
Dcte w.pngTest4a.pngDcchi w.pngDcga w.pngDcma2.pngDcta2 w.png (6/6)
Dcka3 w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcchi w.pngDcwo w.pngDcna w.pngDcshi w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcna w.pngTest3.pngDcko w.pngDcro w.png (12/12)
Dcu w.pngDcchi w.pngDcyu w.pngDcu w.pngDcni w.pngDcha w.pngDcmi w.pngDczu w.pngDcga w.pngDca w.pngDcfu w.pngDcre w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcta2 w.png (15/15)
Dcso w.pngDcno w.pngDcmi w.pngDczu w.pngDcno w.pngDcna w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcra w.png (9/9)

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Dcki w.pngTest4a.pngTest3.pngDcro w.pngDcni w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcga w.pngDcya w.pngDcku2 w.png (9/9)
???Dcga w.pngDcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.pngDcta2 w.png (8/11)
?Dcu w.png??Dcmi w.pngDcna w.pngDcmo w.pngDcwo w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcda w.pngDcyo w.pngDctsu w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcta2 w.pngDcga w.png (13/16)
?Dcchouon2 w.pngDcne w.pngTest4a.pngDcgo w.pngDcni w.pngDcso w.pngDcu w.pngDczo w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.pngTest4a.png (11/12)
Dcpu w.pngDcra w.pngDcji w.pngDcya w.pngDcchouon2 w.pngDcpa w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcga w.pngDcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.pngDcta2 w.png (16/16)
Dcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcchi w.pngTest3.pngDcchi w.pngDcne w.pngTest4a.pngDcga w.pngDcta2 w.pngDctsu w.pngDcto w.png (11/11)
Dcpu w.pngDcra w.pngDcji w.pngDcya w.pngDcchouon2 w.pngDcpa w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcha w.png (9/9)
Dcyu w.pngDcru2 w.pngDcga w.pngDcsu w.png  Dcte w.pngTest4a.pngDcno w.pngDcmi w.pngDctsu w.pngDctsu w.pngDcno w.png (11/11)
Dcko w.pngDcto w.pngDcba w.pngDcwo w.pngDcha w.pngDctsu w.pngDcshi w.pngDcta2 w.png (8/8)
???Test3.pngDcchi w.pngDcne w.pngTest4a.pngDcta2 w.pngDctsu w.pngDcto w.png (7/10)
Dcpu w.pngDcra w.pngDcji w.pngDcya w.pngDcchouon2 w.pngDcpa w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcha w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcchi w.pngDca w.pngDcga w.pngDcri w.png (14/14)
Dcka3 w.pngDczu w.pngDcka3 w.pngDczu w.pngDcno w.pngDchi3 w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcri w.pngDcno w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDcga w.pngDcmi w.png (13/13)
Dcwo w.pngDcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcsa w.pngDcse w.pngDcta2 w.png (9/9)
Dcsa w.pngTest3.pngDcgo w.pngDcni w.pngDcya w.pngDcmi w.png  Dca w.pngDcku2 w.pngDcno w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDca w.pngDcsu w.pngDcra w.pngDcwo w.png (15/15)
Dcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcsa w.pngDcse w.pngDcta2 w.png (8/8)
Dcpu w.pngDcra w.pngDcji w.pngDcya w.pngDcchouon2 w.pngDcpa w.pngDcte w.pngTest3.pngDcga w.png (9/9)
Dchi3 w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcri w.pngDcno w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcmi w.pngDcwo w.png (8/8)
Dcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcsa w.pngDcse w.pngDcta2 w.pngDcko w.pngDcto w.pngDcni w.pngDcyo w.pngDcri w.png (13/13)
Dchi3 w.pngDcka3 w.pngDcri w.pngDcto w.pngDcya w.pngDcmi w.pngDcga w.pngDcta2 w.pngTest4a.pngDcji w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.png (13/13)
Dchi3 w.pngDcru2 w.pngDcto w.pngDcyo w.pngDcru2 w.pngDcga w.pngDcshi w.pngDcyo w.pngDcu w.pngDcshi w.pngDcta2 w.png (11/11)

Issue: http://wikimon.net/File:Wisemon_collectors.png definitely shows different text from the other images. However, the other cards all seem to match.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2014 (CDT)

The sad part about it is that it appears to be just an ordering of characters in alphabetical order. --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 18:18, 9 October 2014 (CDT)

Possible Japanese Transliteration[edit]

Page 1 Line No. Page 2

我はワイズモン
全てを知るものなり
人は心の拠り所を
求めて生きている
神もまたそのひとつだ
神とは何か
神は円であり
その中心は遍在し
その円周はどこにもない
それらは死滅しないが
生成し死滅する
万物がそれらのパターンに
従って形成されると
言われている
一定の形式である
世界の成り立ちはこうである
天地がまた
形を成してない頃
宇宙には水が溢れていた
その水の中から

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金色に輝く
??が誕生した
??水面を漂っていたが
?年後に創造神
プラジャーパティが誕生した
幼稚一年が経つと
プラジャーパティは
揺るがす  天の三つの
言葉を発した
??一年経つと
プラジャーパティは立ち上がり
数々の光の神々
を誕生させた
最後に闇  悪の神アスラを
誕生させた
プラジャーパティが
表裏の神を
誕生させた事により
光と闇が誕生し
昼と夜が称した

So, that's Genesis 1:1-5, with some fluff added at the beginning.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2014 (CDT)

Yep, I'm guessing that this is also a reference to the "Genesis of the Digital World" mentioned in a few profiles. --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 20:19, 29 August 2014 (CDT)
Okay, judging by quick translations of the suggested readings being put up, it's possible that this is instead a Thelema-based Genesis, or possibly a different form of modern Spiritualism that synthesizes a dualistic god of light and a god of darkness, Asura, with "separating the light from the darkness and calling them day and night, separating the waters to make the world". Probably one of the variants that include the Akashic Records.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 21:11, 2 September 2014 (CDT)
Seems to contain more elements of Hinduism, Prajapati also shows up a few times in the script.--Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 05:22, 3 September 2014 (CDT)
After researching into it further, it's actually starting to sound very similar to passages from the Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa, just need to see if there is a line about a golden egg, from which Prajapati emerged. So essentially it's the Hindu version of Genesis.--Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 06:52, 3 September 2014 (CDT)
It appears that Wisemon's opening "monologue" contains a quote (or variant of the quote) from Empedocles/Voltaire: "God is a circle whose centre is everywhere, and its circumference nowhere." --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 10:10, 6 September 2014 (CDT)

Translation notes[edit]

  • it literally treats the "Book" as a "totem" ("an item which represents or attracts a divine spirit"). I believe this is a reference to it astral projecting through the book.
  • I'm concerned about the "Node ha nai ka to Iwarete iru". My own custom and web searches indicate that it's simply a way of saying "it is said", but it seems like it should mean more.
  • I used "events", "objects" and "space-time" because those are the terms used within relativistic physics. If the Dr. Who bent proves true, then "spatiotemporal" is the term they use.
  • I also have the strong suspicion, based on the totem/spiritual vessel bit (like an avatar), its attacks, and the Akashic Records which AncientWisemon uses, that Wisemon has some Hindu basis. Is there a Hindu "Watcher" god?

KrytenKoro06 14:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)