Talk:Dot Falcomon

Rainbow Force

While, yes, Rainbow Force was a move shared with Dotagumon in Sunburst and Moonlight, I have some notes about that:

1. In Sunburst and Moonlight, all of the Rainbow techniques were generic among the two Dot members of their level. However, in Lost Evolution, they split them in two - so Falcomon and MG got Force and Agumon and SG got Flare.
2. This didn't stop Dotmiragegaogamon from getting Omega Rainbow Force as its unique technique listed on the page from Lost Evolution, where it was signature to it, in spite of Dothinegreymon having the same attack in Sunburst and Moonlight.
3. The only technique listed on Dotfalcomon's page is Air Shot, which was technically a signature attack to it in Sunburst and Moonlight... but is, of course, Patamon's technique. Making the argument of "it's generic so it shouldn't be here" kind of weird.
4. (also if we're going that route, shouldn't Dotmiragegaogamon only have Gale Claw and Dotshinegreymon have Glorious Burst?)

Like I just don't get the logic here, Lost Evolution absolutely made a choice to make this a technique totally exclusive to Dotfalcomon, this was obviously dev intent because there wouldn't be much point in splitting the techniques otherwise, it's not a "this was a technique on several Digimon but now most of those are cut so it's exclusive" case, all the Digimon who had Rainbow Force are in DSLE and only one of them has it, and it's the same with Omega Rainbow Force, which is still on the page for Dotmiragegaogamon. I added it because of all of that.

It looks like there are currently some inconsistencies that need to be resolved. For example, DotMirageGaogamon's page should not list Omega Rainbow Force. As you say, it should just be Gale Claw. Originally we wouldn't have listed skills like that and DotFalcomon's Air Shot, but a while back I was talked into including them because the game explicitly identifies them as "signature techniques," even though they're not unique. Developer intent is harder to determine in cases like Rainbow Force in Lost Evolution. There are actually several "generic" skills reused from previous games that only have one user in later entries (and then in Super Xros Wars some generic attacks have two different versions of themselves, one exclusive to a specific boss). I myself wouldn't count them, but it can be open to discussion. --TMS (talk) 19:38, 24 August 2024 (EST)

as I recall, only dawn/dusk of the DS games apply a signature attack for each digimon, and as such as the the only instance where we would apply them as attacks for the species. a digimon being the only guy with a move isnt really enough, as otherwise wed have to give platinumsukamon the move Anti-Bug from cyber sleuth. the generic skills can be transferred to other digimon via digivolution, unlike unique skills, which is why theyre discounted. so when dotfalcomon evolves in lost evolution, its attacks are inherited. in dawn/dusk, dotfalcomon's air shot is *not* inherited, which is why its counted as its unique to him (and techincally isn't as patamon shares it too, but thats not new really - metalgarurumon and metalgarurumon black both have garurumon tomahawk in cyber sleuth)Muur (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2024 (CDT)

I think in this case it's clear what the intent is though. A few generic moves got made only available to one Digimon in Lost Evolution, but in a lot of these cases it's because a bunch of Digimon got cut (consider Ogremon's Tyrant Fist/Strong Maul which was on like 9 things in S/M but pretty much all of them got cut except Gaomon, who now couldn't get the move because it's too strong for a Child), or cases like Hagurumon's Nanomachine Break where several Digimon had it as a weak move but either got cut or didn't have it because DSLE generally didn't give moves that weak to higher level stuff.

But with Rainbow Force (and Omega Rainbow Force), there's really no reason for the split. Both Digimon who got the move in Sunburst and Moonlight are still here, and even easier to access (since you start with an Agumon and Falcomon 2006 and thus inherently fulfill one of the requirements). Moves being removed from Digimon inbetween games because they segregated moves of specific power levels to specific Digimon levels wouldn't change it for these two Digimon. The move was retained for one of the two Digimon... and the other was given a new, unique move that directly mirrored it. That can't have been a mistake, or a fluke of design - they had to deliberately decide to remove one Digimon from the move's learn list and create a new move to mirror it. That implies intent. So while I know it's still a bit strange, it does seem like in the last product to include these specific Digimon, they decided to specifically make their Rainbow move exclusive to them, which sounds like Signature Move talk to me. And if we're including cases of "later work made previous generic move into signature move" stuff for pages like Airdramon having Megalo Spark even though that was a generic Digimon World move because the TCG gave it to it in an attack card, I feel like this has to count for something.

And if you're right, Muur, then all three of the other Dot Digimon have attacks on their page that need purging, including the only attacks on Dotshine and Dotmirage's pages.

(For Dotshine and Dotmirage though, it's a lot more obvious - the last slot, "need a 100% plate" attack is IIRC totally unique to every Digimon in DSLE as far as I can remember, and would in any other case be considered a signature move)--Mattman324 (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2024 (CDT)

any move that can be inherited in a game should not be listed on their page, whilst if cant be inherited they get to list it. the tcg thing is a different instance, as different media are treated differently. a digimon using an attack on a trading card follows different rules. whilst theyre the only digimon with those attacks in lost evolution, they can be inherited by other digimon (you can de-digivolve the megas to give the moves to their lower forms)Muur (talk) 20:14, 24 August 2024 (CDT)