Talk:Mashiro Arisu

This character should be renamed from Arisu to Alice as she is an obvious reference to Alice from the "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", she even mentions Wonderland herself. --Geo (talk) 03:28, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

It's officially written as "Arisu" in-universe. --Ainz ^{( talk | contribs )} 03:41, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

A standard case of Engrish. Same as Haru's name which is alternating between Haru and Hal in-universe.--Geo (talk) 05:04, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

Except Arisu is a common name in Japan. And the spelling "Hal" only appears once, in an ending sequence, and we don't have much reason to believe an ending montage is "in-universe". Anime... PAWĀ!!! 10:08, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

Except Arisu is nowhere near a common Japanese name. And then again, both Arisu and Haru are spelled in katakana, which is not a common way to write down common Japanese names, but rather a way of transliterating non-Japanese words or names. They are pretty much intended to be Alice and Hal. The first one is proved by the clear reference to Wonderland, the second one is a reference to HAL9000 AI, just the same way as all of the other main characters' names are referencing something related to artificial intelligence and computers: Astra, Watson, Ai (AI), Cloud. When it comes to Haru, it's a clever play when a transliteration of HAL sounds just like a regular Japanese name. --Geo (talk) 10:29, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

Problem is, the romanization "Haru" is the most common and is the one used literally every episode, while her Appliyama 470 poster officially says "Arisu Mashiro". And I meant "normal". Source. Anime... PAWĀ!!! 15:07, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

I guess Haru is intended to sound just like a regular Japanese name, even though it's clearly not. So it could be left alone as it is (although I'm willing to bet that if some kind of localization is to exist in future, he will be named Hal and none other). But I just don't understand why you stick with Arisu. It's written in katakana, so they don't even try to make it look like a Japanese name. It's Alice. And even those names you linked are just attempts of Japanese people to name their children Alice and having no way of doing it properly due to the way their language is built, so the outcome is "Arisu". Even when "Arisu" is in kanji and not in kana, those kanji are just something artificially put together to make the name more proper (because Japanese names are usually written in kanji, not kana). It's not a normal Japanese name, it's just as close to "Alice" as they can get. When you google those kanji, "Alice" even comes up in search results next to them. As for "its officially Arisu on the poster" -- why should official derpy romanizations be even taken in consideration? It's clearly Alice, the proof is undeniable. Officially, Kido Jou is named Joe in the opening sequence of Digimon Adventure tri, so why doesn't his page here say "Joe"? Because official romanizations in Digimon just suck horribly. They are stupid. Scopemon is Scorpmon, App-Realize is Appliarise for some reason officially. Who's arising? Monster materialization was always called Realize in Digimon. This silliness is all over the franchise, so why do we need to embrace it instead of just translating from Japanese properly? The people who do this officially have no idea what they're doing and are completely ignorant when it comes to English. --Geo (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

I could make the same argument that Edward is just people trying to name their kid Éadweard but not doing so because English doesn't use diaccritics. Name derivation exists and lots of names in the entire world are derived from some version of another country. Arisu is Arisu, just like that. As for Jō, his name has been romanized as Jo before they started using Joe, and it seems that Toei only started using it because of the dub name, which is why they are using Koushiro now instead of either Koushirou or Koshiro, but I don't know why no one discussed moving the page. Anime... PAWĀ!!! 16:14, 29 July 2017 (CDT)

I'm gonna repeat the part where I googled some of the kanji variations of "Arisu" and it returned results of some companies named with those kanjis while dubbing it as "Alice" themselves. Anyway, that is not the main point here. Mashiro Alice's name is not even in kanji, so it's not a case of a derived name or something. It's meant to be Alice (and here I go again: there's the proof, as she has the rabbit and says she's from Wonderland), but the people who made that poster just wrote down exactly what katakana says in roman characters without caring about what it actually means. Like almost all the time with official romanizations in the franchise. There's not a single reason to keep it as "Arisu". Official romanizations should be reviewed and ignored in cases when they are obviously wrong and ignorant. --Geo (talk) 16:35, 29 July 2017 (CDT)