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== Crack Team ==
 
== Crack Team ==
 
Concerning your latest update to the Crack Team page... I fail to see any direct mentions of Crack Team in the profiles referenced on the Related Digimon section. Is there any proof that the profiles are indeed talking about Crack Team? [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 10:43, 12 August 2017 (CDT)
 
Concerning your latest update to the Crack Team page... I fail to see any direct mentions of Crack Team in the profiles referenced on the Related Digimon section. Is there any proof that the profiles are indeed talking about Crack Team? [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 10:43, 12 August 2017 (CDT)
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:And yes, I have read Convergencia's discussion page about it. It certainly makes sense at first sight, but it certainly is making a lot of assumptions. [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 10:55, 12 August 2017 (CDT)
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::The think is that Convergencia Digital told me that there are quite evidences of this in the booklets of the Ultimate Battle Deck 3, which I'm still waiting to see, apart from the profiles from the Digital Monsters V-Pet line. Apart from that, if you think it twice it's pretty obvious, while not being the group mentioned as such (you know that in Digimon, they love to play with this kind of ambiguous, apart from the fact that the Crack Team is first mentioned quite later than the debut of most of this Digimon; so it would be ultimately kind of a retcon). Worth remind that the official profiles in the DRB and so on, talk about the Core World in Digimon, where the Crack Team, same as the other groups exists; according to this booklets, the Crack Team is responsible of creating the Digimon belonging to the Metal Empire, that is, Mugendramon;
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::'''''Mugendramon:''''' "It was built by synthesizing the parts of many Cyborg Digimon, and it is thought that all of the Cyborg Digimon produced so far were merely prototypes for the completion of Mugendramon."
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::So now we know that the Crack Team constructed Mugendramon, and the prototype Digimon that were needed in order to complete its form; that is:
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::*''Andromon'''s shoulder pads: "Andromon was developed as a prototype for Cyborg Digimon, and the mechanically-based Andromon and organically-based cyborg Boltmon were manufactured at the same time. This technology was appropriated for Metal Greymon and Megadramon. As a prototype Digimon it possesses neither will nor emotion, and it is faithful to its programmed behavior." It is clear that both Boltmon and Hi Andromon were also manufactured by the same team:
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::**''Boltmon'': "A prototype Cyborg Digimon constructed at the same time as Andromon. Unlike the mechanically-based Andromon, the organically-based Boltmon possessed emotions, as well as power that surpassed Andromon's, but it was difficult to control and ran wild, and was consigned to oblivion in the darkness."
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::**''Hi Andromon'': "An Ultimate Cyborg Digimon that was perfected by improving the incomplete Andromon. The percentage of Chrome Digizoid parts which compose its body has increased, and it is impossible to miss the extent of its gains in offensive and defensive power from this, compared to Andromon."
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::*''Megadramon'''s helmet and right claw: "As a Digimon that was artificially remodeled by someone, it was programmed to destroy everything. It can definitely be said that its existence is the epitome of a computer virus. It can easily penetrate Computer Networks protected by strong security, and can very easily destroy and then completely reformat the host computer." In this sense, the profile of Gigadramon states:
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::**''Gigadramon'': "A dark dragon Digimon developed at the same time as Megadramon."
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::*''Metal Tyrannomon'''s jaw and chest circuits: "A Cyborg Digimon that remodeled its body in order to acquire mightier powers. After Megadramon was remodeled for anti-air use, Metal Tyranomon was remodeled as an anti-ground interceptor Digimon."
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::*''Metal Mamemon'''s Psycho Blasters.
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::*''Metal Greymon (Virus)'''s left claw.
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::This is pretty conclusive in my opinion; Anyways, I'm not really sure how to handle this information, but at least I think this connections should be noted somehow in the Crack Team page. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 07:23, 13 August 2017 (CDT)
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:::Like I said, I read what Convergencia posted and agree with it from a logical standpoint, but I take issue with treating what are assumptions (eg. just because Andromon was created by the Crack Team, it doesn't mean they were the ones to perfect him into HiAndromon) - albeit based - as facts, a problem I already had when watching Convergencia's video. Again, I do agree it makes sense but I wouldn't include it on a site like this which is meant to only have absolute factual information. At least not without a proper explanation, you know? This fandom is already full of misconceptions. [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 17:10, 13 August 2017 (CDT)
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:::: No se resolvería esto con poner una pestaña aparte de "digimon relacionados al crack team"? que sea una lista en la que salga  nombre del digimon y a un lado cómo esta relacionado con el grupo, y en casos como el de HiAndromon, el cual siento que es el único de la lista que incluí que uno podría debatir que no tiene relacion alguna con el crack team, simplemente se especifica justamente eso, que no hay claridad de si fue el crack team quien lo mejoro o no, en todos los demas las relaciones son demasiado obvias como para simplemente ignorarlas y sacarlas de la página. --[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 23:41, 14 August 2017 (CDT)
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::::: Lo que quiero no es borrarlas de la página, tan sólo pensaba que sería mejor apuntar que las relaciones no estan confirmadas oficialmente. Lo que Shadow Shinji escribió es suficiente para mi [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 10:10, 15 August 2017 (CDT)
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==Aegiomon Chronicle's Titles==
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I've been translating the cutscenes to portuguese for a while through the same blog sourced in the page, and it should be noted that every chapter name that's in english is made up by the author, including the title "Aegiomon's Chronicle". The author points this out here "では、デジモンクルセイダー外伝「Aegiomon's Chronicle」(私が勝手に名づけた)、どうぞお楽しみください。" - [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 20:16, 12 September 2017 (CDT)
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:Oh really? Heck my fault. Is there any official name for the storyline then?
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::I recall them simply being quests, so I don't think there was an actual name for the storyline, but I can't be sure. [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 08:49, 13 September 2017 (CDT)
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==Evolution==
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Why did you comment out the evolutions from Digimon Masters and All-Star Rumble? [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 18:47, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
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:Because they are non-canon from a Japanese perspective. DMO comes from South Korea, and All-Star Rumble was only launched in Europe and the Americas. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 18:54, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
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::Then it should have been given some kind of warning or sign to indicate it. Commenting them out basically makes people unable to see them which effectively not give any kind of acknowledgment.
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::These games are still official Digimon games regardless of the country of origin. They are not any "less Digimon" just because it was not released in Japan.
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::And I fail to see why it's "non-canon from Japanese perspective" is an issue. If that's the case, I don't see the purpose of having pages about DMO and All-Star Rumble here on this wiki, as well as manhua like D-Cyber. They are also "non-canon" from Japanese perspective. [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 19:31, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
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:::You kind of misunderstood me. When I'm saying that they are non-canon, I'm not saying they are less Digimon than any other one game. That's why it's pretty natural they have their own pages, info and stuff. While there are some evolutionary routes that make sense, most of them doesn't at all. And that's because Bandai Japan, which is the main company in charge of creating and further developing Digimon, is not invoved at all in this products, so their creators doesn't seem to be concerned about fitting a canon. I'm going to put you an example so you can see whan I'm talking about:
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:::''Sakuyamon (Regular Mega)'' -> ''Kuzuhamon (Burst Mode)''.
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:::*Kuzuhamon's official profile in the DRB: ''"It is said that only those among them of a high level are able to evolve to Sakuyamon, and they normally just evolve to Kuzuhamon."''
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:::*Burst Evolution: ''"Enables a Mega Digimon to reach its Burst Mode, an even more-powerful form."''
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:::The case of Digimon D-Cyber is slightly different. It's a Bandai Asia exclusive product, but unlike most of the products of Digimon originally made overseas, it's an stand-alone continuity with ots own canon, rules, lore, and universe-building, so it deserves this kind of special treatment. Same case as "Fight! Digital Monsters" manhua. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 19:42, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
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::::Digimon does not really have a canon so to speak because multiverse exist and each series is canon within its continuity.
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::::Also, whether an evolution makes sense or not is pretty much a subjective sentiment and a wiki should only put objective facts. There have been many instances where evolution doesn't really match the profile or completely ignore them. For example, Omegamon's profile stated that it's a fusion of WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, but in other media it can be evolved from a Dynasmon. Or Omegamon Alter-B which can be formed by Titamon and MetalEtemon. There are many other examples of this and they all came from Bandai Japan. Also, it seems like an arbitrary standard to decide which series should get special treatment and which one should not.
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::::It's also a big assumption to say that Bandai Japan as the owner of the series doesn't know or care about what's going on in non-Japanese media. There have been examples in the series where it shows they know and give proper acknowledgments, with the latest  and most obvious one is tri having Digimon's English dub names on the Digivice (whereas Asian countries where most Digimon media were released in general use Japanese names).
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::::To give examples, just because McDonald in India doesn't serve beef, it doesn't mean the owner of McDonald in US doesn't know or care about what's going on in India. They know and let the Indian McDonalds have their own version of burgers. It also doesn't make Indian McDonald is less McDonald than the one in the US. Another example is like regionally distributed Pokemon like a Pokemon with special moveset is only distributed in Europe and not elsewhere and this doesn't mean this Pokemon is not canon. It's still a canon information and deserves to be listed and acknowledged.
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::::So, I think these evolutions should be listed with proper indications, like for example in Cyber Sleuth page where Beelzebumon Blast Mode and Cherubimon Vice are listed on the obtainable Digimon, but these are only "canon" to non-Japanese as they are unobtainable in Japanese version. [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 20:54, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
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:::::I was asked to look at this, presumably because I'm an admin. In my opinion, we should make some note even of evolutions from non-Japanese products (and I believe All-Star Rumble was made by a Japanese studio, which muddies the issue). As long as they are sourced, people can make their own call on whether they want to consider them "canon." It's similar to how we note the dub names of Digimon attacks even when they're nonsensical (and one of these days, God willing, I'm going to source all of those too). Now, whether there needs to be any kind of "warning" about potentially non-canon evolutions, similar to how we put dub attack names in a separate column, I'm not sure. I don't really feel comfortable making that call myself, being rather new as a Wikimon admin. [[User:TMS|TMS]] ([[User talk:TMS|talk]]) 17:16, 20 September 2017 (EST)
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::::::It's a bit excessively nit-picky not to include information from games that aren't Japanese because they are not "canon" enough. Digimon as a franchise is a massive 20-year clusterfuck with a ton of hands in the pot so to speak. Even the source material can't keep things remotely consistent. As long as all revolutions are properly referenced and sourced, it should not be a big deal.--[[User:Devkyu|devkyu]] ([[User talk:Devkyu|talk]]) 22:30, 21 September 2017 (CDT)
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:::::::Okay guys, thanks for your feedback. Anyways, even if we decide to include this kind of incanonical evolutions, how are we supposed to handle them? For example, how does the Super Forms of All-Star Rumble exactly work? Do we want to claim, for example, that Ageisdramon warps evolves from Gomamon, or it is more like a direct evolution from Plesiomon (as his official profile states)? I would say the latter, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this issue too. This would imply that:
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:::::::*Agumon >> War Greymon > Omegamon '''''OR''''' Agumon >> War Greymon ''&'' Agumon >> Omegamon
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:::::::*Piyomon >> Hououmon > Examon '''''OR''''' Piyomon >> Hououmon ''&'' Piyomon >> Examon
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:::::::*Dorulumon > Shoutmon X4 '''''OR''''' Dorulumon > Shoutmon X4 ''&'' Dorulumon > Shoutmon X5B
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:::::::*Gabumon >> Metal Garurumon > Omegamon '''''OR''''' Gabumon >> Metal Garurumon ''&'' Gabumon >> Omegamon
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:::::::*Tailmon > Angewomon > Examon '''''OR''''' Tailmon > Angewomon ''&'' Tailmon >> Examon
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:::::::*Gomamon >> Plesiomon > Ageisdramon '''''OR''''' Gomamon >> Plesiomon ''&'' Gomamon >> Ageisdramon
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:::::::*Guilmon >> Megalo Growmon > Dukemon '''''OR''''' Guilmon >> Megalo Growmon ''&'' Guilmon >> Dukemon
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:::::::*Impmon >> Beelzebumon > Shoutmon X5B '''''OR''''' Impmon >> Beelzebumon ''&'' Impmon > Shoutmon X5B
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:::::::*Shoutmon > Omega Shoutmon > Shoutmon DX '''''OR''''' Shoutmon > Omega Shoutmon ''&'' Shoutmon > Shoutmon DX
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:::::::*Tentomon >> Atlur Kabuterimon > Tyrant Kabuterimon '''''OR''''' Tentomon >> Atlur Kabuterimon ''&'' Tentomon >> Tyrant Kabuterimon
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:::::::*V-mon > XV-mon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode '''''OR''''' V-mon > XV-mon ''&'' V-mon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode
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:::::::*Wormmon > Stingmon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode '''''OR''''' Wormmon > Stingmon ''&'' Wormmon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode
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:::::::--[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 10:06, 22 September 2017 (CDT)
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:::::: It's been a while since I played the game, but I don't recall there being any reference to the second evolution options being evolved forms of the first evolution options. If there is, that's fine, but just going by what we actually see happening we see things like Gomamon directly Warp Evolving to Aegisdramon. So that's what I myself would go with. [[User:TMS|TMS]] ([[User talk:TMS|talk]]) 13:37, 22 September 2017 (EST)
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:I agree with TMS here, for what it's worth.[[User:KrytenKoro06|KrytenKoro06]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro06|talk]]) 13:47, 13 October 2017 (CDT)
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== Chaos Dukemon Chaos Mode ==
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Hola de nuevo :3 (revisa twitter), por que agregaste esa pagina para chaos dukemon? esa figura no que no es canon? era una figura estado unidense, minimo yo diria que habria que especificar su procedensia en la pagina para no confundir a la gente--[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 15:48, 8 October 2017 (CDT)
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:Así es, pero al tratarse de un Digimon "inédito", podría ser importante que cuente con su propia página en la wiki. Por ello, agregué la etiqueta de "Unreleased Digimon", porque no es un Digimon canon en Japón, al menos por el momento, pero no existe ninguna contraparte original tampoco. Si los editores consideran que no tiene que tener su propia página, se verá supongo. Aún así, trataré de incluir una nota aclaratoria (Malditas notificaciones de Twitter que no aivsan) -.- --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 19:29, 8 October 2017 (CDT)
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== Gaiamon ==
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Hola, no se como arreglar esto, pero en la pagina de Gaiamon (digimon) pusieron el chip de Gaiamon appmon https://wikimon.net/Gaiamon
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== Armamon ==
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Hola amigo, oye quisiera cambiar de una vez por todas la pagina de Armamon. En la imagen que tienen puesta de Armamon no es realmente el Armamon neutro, es Armamon que absorbio a Barbamon y lo usa de espada, el Armamon normal no tiene espada, y yo tengo una imagen del juego de él sin espada para ponerla si es necesario.--[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 20:07, 20 November 2017 (CST)
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:¡Disculpa la respuesta tardía! No sé por qué motivo, no se me notificó tu mensaje y lo acabo de ver ahora revisando mi página de discusión. Pues la verdad no tenía ni idea de eso, por descontado sube la imagen y añádela en la página. Podríamos especificar este pequeño detalle de algún modo (algo tipo Armamon (antes) y Armamon (después)) xD Pero en serio, si ese es el caso, entonces ¿de dónde surge OmegaArmamon Burst Mode? --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 16:51, 23 November 2017 (CST)
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En el juego Barbamon quiere usar a Armamon como su arma para conquistar la LStou zone (o todas las zonas, no recuerdo), pero cuando llega con Armamon su poder era demasiado como para contenerlo, y termina siendo Barbamon el que se convierte en el arma de Armamon. Xros Heart pelea contra Armamon con su Barbamon-espada y lo derrota, liberando a Barbamon en el proceso,quien aprovecha que dejaron totalmente debilitado a Armamon para absorberlo, y asi evoluciona a OmegaArmamon BM.--[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 07:59, 24 November 2017 (CST)
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:¡Suena interesante! Conocía un poco sobre la historia, pero no todos los detalles. Estoy deseando ver la imagen de Armamon al natural. Por cierto, esto creo que sucede a mitad del juego más o menos, ¿tú sabes si Barbamon efectivamente evoluciona (o hace Death Evolution) de un ZeedMillenniummon que es una especie de virus digital, o ZeedMillenniummon Y Barbamon son seres distintos? --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 09:19, 24 November 2017 (CST)
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No, Barbamon y Zeed son seres diferentes en el juego. Durante una quest principal Xros Heart pelea contra zeed en un salon, y luego de que lo derrotas aparece Barbamon por atrás diciendo que Zeed era solo basura espacial (no recuerdo las palabras exactas, como sabras el juego solo esta en japo xD) y luego lo absorbe. Aquí te dejo imagenes del Armamon natural sin espada, y de la escena de Zeed por si te sirve :3 (por cierto, la pelea contra Armamon y Barbamon ocurre al final del juego)--[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 10:00, 24 November 2017 (CST)
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File:Armamon Natural.png
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File:Zeed1.png
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File:Zeed2.png
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File:Zeed3.png
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</gallery>
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:Genial! Estoy retocando todas las páginas para incluir la información corregida :) Muchas gracias compañero! --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2017 (CST)
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==Hacker's Memory manga==
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Hey, did you read the manga somewhere? I can't find it no matter where I look. {{User:G-SANtos/Sig}} 20:57, November 29, 2017 (UTC)
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:Yup, I found a Chinese-translated version in this [https://www.facebook.com/pg/IxLOVExDigiMon/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1727790143960342 Facebook fanpage]. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 16:14, 29 November 2017 (CST)
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== Minotaurmon ==
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Unlike Whamon where Adult and Perfect have been used interchangeably, Minotaurmon hasn't been explicitly treated as a Perfect since 1997 making Perfect an obsolete Level for the species just as it is for many other pre-Adventure species that were originally listed as Perfect. [[User:Chimera-gui|Chimera-gui]] ([[User talk:Chimera-gui|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2018 (CST)
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== Jogress and Fusion ==
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I know you said treating both methods as Jogress on the evolution sections was only for organizational purposes, but won't that be misleading for people who are not aware of the difference between Fusion and Jogress? If what worries you is organization, then my suggestion would be not to use "Jogress" or "Fusion" at all. Instead, we could simply use, for example, on Ordinemon's case, "Ordinemon (with Raguelmon)". [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 09:27, 23 February 2018 (CST)
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: Agree. It's misleading and contradicts what official sources said. If you were fine to ignore official sources in the name of "organizational purpose", then you may as well remove DigiXros as well since it's just another instance of Digimon fusion and replace everything by "(with <insert name of Digimon>)" like Shika408 said. [[Mervamon_Wide_Hi-Vision_Sword|Here]] is one example. Also, I noticed you also treated mutation as the same as evolution (even though it was stated to be not the case), so I don't see the point of keeping "Dark Evolution" either since it's just another instance of Digimon evolution. [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 06:56, 24 February 2018 (CST)
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::As for ''Jogress/Fusion'' regards, I honestly don't see that much of a difference. Because yeah, the ''DigiXros/Xros Up'' is a totally different thing, but what's the core difference between a ''Jogress'' and a ''Fusion'' (Super Xros Wars aside)? For instance, Omegamon has been treated both as a ''Jogress'' (02) and a ''Fusion'' (Cyber Sleuth), and If I'm not wrong, it's essentially the same. As for the ''Mutation/Evolution'', yeah in tri. they blatantly state that it's not the same process, but what's exactly the main diffence here too? In my opinion, I think it's just a matter of emphasize Meicoomon's uniqueness, because of being the main character, but biologically-wise, a mutation and an evolution refers to the same process. At least that's what I think. So I'd suggest to just treat the ''Jogress/Fusion'' and ''DigiXros/Xros Up'' as a separate thing, with the ''w/'' option for the cases which may be confusing to some extent, and mutation as a subtype paragraph of the Evolution process (has this even been differenciated before tri. came out?). --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 07:16, 27 February 2018 (CST)
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:::It seems to me that it wouldn't be too difficult to simply note in the text whether something is a Jogress, Fusion, DigiXros, mutation, or whatever. If that gets too cluttered, I think ShikaSS's suggestion is fine. It might be best to do that, actually, since the same combination has sometimes been treated as more than one thing. --[[User:TMS|TMS]] ([[User talk:TMS|talk]]) 17:43, 27 February 2018 (EST)
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::::Actually, Omegamon was referred as ''Fusion'' (Gattai) even in 02, and again in Xros Wars Hunters. We can also include Digimon cards. Omegamon was treated as ''Jogress'' in V-Tamer (iirc) and in games, which could just be because they didn't really bother to code separate cases for Jogress and Fusion in the game, but for plot-related fusion (e.g. Nokia's Omegamon) is still referred as Fusion.  The commonly agreed difference between Fusion and Jogress is that Fusion doesn't advance the level of the component Digimon, while Jogress does (e.g. Omegamon is an Ultimate just like WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, while Paildramon is a Perfect when XV-mon and Stingmon are Adult level). In case of Omegamon, it can get murky whether Super Ultimate level is recognized as separate level in a particular universe or not (e.g. Adventure doesn't acknowledge it with both Omegamon and Ordinemon are still listed as Ultimate, while V-Tamer seemed to treat Super Ultimate as its own level, hence Omegamon is a Jogress instead). Ordinemon also is implied to be not an evolution (judging from Koshiro's comment in the latest tri trailer), which seems to further suggest the "non-changing level" trait. Meanwhile, in Super Xros Wars game, Omegamon is a result of DigiXros between WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon.
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::::In the end, I'd just follow what they said it to be as it is not really our concern to deal with the meta-canon. The choice is either listing them as what they said in their respective canon (Jogress, Fusion, DigiXros), or treat all instances of Digimon fusing together as the same by substituting the terms with "(with <insert Digimon name here>)". Same with evolution, be it normal evolution, mutation, dark evolution, etc. I don't think Megidramon in Tamers and ShinGreymon RM in Savers were ever explicitly mentioned as "Dark Evolution" anyway as the term only came out in Adventure series (cmiiw); those were just ''Evolution'' in the broader canon sense [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 19:03, 27 February 2018 (CST)
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:::::The problem is that even if it's commonly agreed, that is still only a fan interpretation and not actually stated by any official lore where the two mechanics may as well be one and the same. For example, MetalGreymon from Xros Wars is a Xros yet could easily be treated as the Jogress of Greymon and MailBirdramon making it equivalent to Paildramon whom itself was a Xros in  XW as well. Millenniumon was likewise treated as a Xros in the Xros Wars manga. [[User:Chimera-gui|Chimera-gui]] ([[User talk:Chimera-gui|talk]]) 19:53, 27 February 2018 (CST)
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::::::And that's why I said, it is '''NOT''' our concern about the "why", but with the "what". It does not change the fact that the official sources used these terminologies - fusion, Jogress, DigiXros, mutation, etc. Those could be different processes altogether, or the same process with different names; it does '''NOT''' matter. Wiki should only list information as is (how they were represented in their respective medium). It's either you follow the canon sources, or you just treated them all the same WITHOUT using unrelated, official terminology as that would count as misrepresentation (because you interpreted these processes as "the same", where they could also be different processes). If they said Paildramon and Milleniummon in XW was a DigiXros, then list them as DigiXros; problem solved. Why would you feel the need to force them into one term - "Jogress" when the offical sources didn't say so? [[User:Luph|Luph]] ([[User talk:Luph|talk]]) 07:49, 28 February 2018 (CST)
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:::::::Strictly speaking, I was only elaborating on TMS' earlier point about the terminology being used interchangeably depending on the media and the issue of the fan interpretation because of this. [[User:Chimera-gui|Chimera-gui]] ([[User talk:Chimera-gui|talk]]) 10:32, 28 February 2018 (CST)
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::::::::''Jogress, a word that came about by combining joint and progress, is a method of evolution that was first introduced in the original Digimon Pendulum 20 years ago.''
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::::::::''Jogress is done by combining specific Digimon together, resulting in an evolution into a new Digimon. They also point out that while fusion is similiar to jogress, it doesn't change the Digimon's level (they then point out that sometimes, including in the new Pendulums, jogress is used as a catchall term for both jogress and fusion.)''
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::::::::[https://withthewill.net/threads/19950-New-Digimon-Obtained-Via-Jogress-in-20th-Anniversary-Pendulums Source]. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 17:42, 2 March 2018 (CST)
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:::::::::I'm glad they have been acknowledging the difference more and more. Kenji Watanabe had already [https://twitter.com/jinke_jinke/status/579887920246484992 stated the difference] to a fan via twitter. Anyway, I see no point in further discussing this matter. [[User:Shika408|ShikaSS]] ([[User talk:Shika408|talk]]) 08:33, 3 March 2018 (CST)
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:I still personally consider Jogress, Fusion, and Xros as interchangeable term for what is fundamentally the same mechanic since apart from the level increase, they are functionally the same and just about any Digimon that falls under one could potentionally fall under the other two and in multiple cases already have (again, any Jogress/Fusion in Xros Wars media with DarkKnightmon in the pendulum presumably doing the reverse.) [[User:Chimera-gui|Chimera-gui]] ([[User talk:Chimera-gui|talk]]) 13:13, 3 March 2018 (CST)
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== Ogudomon ==
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Hola amigo :3 oye vi que subiste unas imagenes de los modelos 3d de las espadas de ogudomon en el battle terminal y otra imagen que creo que era del modelo 3d de ogudomon, aunque esa imagen ya no la encuentro. De donde sacaste esas imagenes???--[[User:Convergencia Digital|Convergencia Digital]] ([[User talk:Convergencia Digital|talk]]) 21:03, 31 March 2018 (CDT)
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:Hola :D Esas imágenes las renderizó un fan chino en base al modelo del BT02, como se puede apreciar al detalle en [https://twitter.com/digimonxiii/status/977591673860497408 este vídeo]; las puedes encontrar en Twitter:  el [https://twitter.com/digimonxiii/status/974637022412337152 Modelo en 3D] y el [https://twitter.com/digimonxiii/status/977121266967592960 detalle de las espadas y las coronas de los Siete Pecados Capitales]. El caso fue que al principio creí que este mismo usuario las había extraído del juego arcade de algún modo, por eso las subí a la wiki, pero luego aclaró que en realidad era una recontrucción fidedigna "no oficial" que él mismo había hecho en base al modelo oficial; por ende, sí sirven como referencia puesto que son una reproducción del original, aunque infringían las normas de la comunidad al ser imágenes "fanmade" y él mismo las eliminó. Espero haberte ayudado compañero :) --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 06:59, 1 April 2018 (CDT)
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==Frontier line art==
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Shadow, where did you get that line art? {{User:G-SANtos/Sig}} 12:52, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
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:They come from the Digimon Series Memorial Book, which you can download [https://mega.nz/#!LFtyzJDK!vjj9uLWo13WKGyGSWIsUGFtPU0Tm8qo5x_UXR4kcYsk here] in case you are interested. --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 05:35, 3 April 2018 (CDT)
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== Re: Frontier Dub names ==
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Sure. I forgot to do it while I was editing, but all of those edits to the dub names of techniques and names comes from the european portuguese dub (PROBABLY by extension the european spanish dub aswell, though I have not checked). Weirdly enough, as for technique names, they keep changing them around which might be a bit confusing, for example Aldamon switches to Solar Wind Destroyer during the final arc when it wasn't called that before, same for Agunimon's Burning Salamander and a couple others. One thing I forgot to edit is the characters' ages, though. They appear to be exactly 1 year younger than usual (because of how school works I guess? I have no idea). Anyway, if you want me to post audio-visual evidence I'm sure I can upload clips so you can see for yourself. Thanks! -- [[User:Dass077|Dass077]] ([[User talk:Dass077|talk]]) 14:59, 18 April 2018 (CDT)
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:I think that should be enough :) Thanks a lot for your reply! --[[User:Shadow Shinji|Shadow Shinji]] ([[User talk:Shadow Shinji|talk]]) 18:12, 22 April 2018 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 18:12, 22 April 2018

Could you set up "The Three Musketeers" group page with MagnuKidmon, BelleStarrmon, and Gundramon?

Done ;)

RaptorSparrowmon[edit]

Do you have the Bandai artwork for RaptorSparrowmon?

No sorry I don't.

Images[edit]

Please stop removing categories from images. It is also unnecessary to upload the same exact image repeatedly. --devkyu (talk) 03:31, 16 June 2014 (CDT)

Citation[edit]

Hello, can you add the source for Jokermon evolving to Piemon, please? --Grandy02 (talk) 10:58, 4 July 2014 (CDT)

It seemed that the Collectors profile says something about it, but it isn't sure so I haven't given any reference, thus anyone could help. Shadow Shinji (talk) 13:26, 4 July 2014 (CDT)
In the Collectors, Jokermon cannot evolve to Piemon, Please undo. --Yottamon (talk) 21:16, 4 July 2014 (CDT)

Artwork[edit]

That was not the official artwork of BelleStarrmon I had just deleted. It was just a Collectors card with a whiten-out background.

Okey, I didn't noticed that. Anyway, until its official artwork is available I think it's a good alternative. Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:42, 9 July 2014 (CDT)

Collectors and Fortune artwork[edit]

Never mind, I actually wanted to ask Charles.929 about this, but maybe you know, too? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2014 (CDT)

Not really :( Shadow Shinji (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2014 (CDT)
Okay. By the way, how do you get the Crusader artwork, directly from the game or through a third-party site? --Grandy02 (talk) 05:58, 17 July 2014 (CDT)
Through a third-party site :) Shadow Shinji (talk) 05:22, 19 July 2014 (CDT)

Digimon Collectors[edit]

Did Collectors get terminated yet or is it still operating?

It is still operating until tomorrow at 14:00 pm. Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2014 (CDT)

Digimon Collectors[edit]

14:00 pm is 2:00 pm over there in Japan, right?

Re: Digimon Crusader[edit]

Sorry, I don't know of any sites. --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 16:47, 26 August 2014 (CDT)

Re: DigiLetters[edit]

Do you have an image of that particular scene? --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 19:15, 7 September 2014 (CDT)

Re: Double Notes[edit]

I have fixed the double notes problem on Grand Dracumon for you. --Jun (talk) 10:44, 1 October 2014 (CDT)

Thanks :) Shadow Shinji (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2014 (CDT)

Re: Digimon Boxes[edit]

Which boxes? Could you send me a link/give an example? --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 18:25, 1 November 2014 (CDT)

I don't know how but now it is solved. Anyway I'll give an example. In the case of Dark Lizamon#TCG, he only appears in the Hyper Colosseum, so the box that contains the name of the card game was abnormally expanded like if he appears in every card game, such as the case of Lilithmon#TCG. Now that is fixed, The box has a similar size to the one containing the names of the card (St-145 in the case of Dark Lizarmon). I hope my explanation was helpful.
Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:06, 2 November 2014 (CST)

Redirects[edit]

Hey, why are you recreating those redirects? They aren't needed, and were deleted for a reason. Anime... PAWĀ!!! 20:01, 14 November 2014 (CST) Ok, sorry then. I just did it because I figured that in the pages List of Digimon, Visual List and Dub Names List were a lot of broken links that hadn't a reason to exist. Shadow Shinji (talk) 04:14, 15 November 2014 (CST)


Official images[edit]

Hey, where did you get these official XW images? Can you link it to me? Anime... PAWĀ!!! 16:52, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

I extracted them from a fb account in which isn't quoted any official source. Shadow Shinji (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2015 (CST)

Can you link that Facebook account to me? Anime... PAWĀ!!! 16:21, 17 February 2015 (CST)

Of course: https://www.facebook.com/Digisoul.net Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2015 (CST)

Re: Romanization[edit]

It depends on what comes after the "ウ"; if the vowel that follows the "ウ" is lowercase then it will use "W" and "U" otherwise. For example, ウィング being romanized as "wingu" in contrast to ウイング being romanized as "uingu". --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 11:16, 22 May 2015 (CDT)

Profiles[edit]

I'm going back through and checking many of the profiles I hadn't already done. Can you confirm whether you posted profiles for anyone other than GranGeneramon, Pajiramon, and Luminamon?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2015 (CST)

Right now I can't remember another one, but I'll tell you if so. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2015 (CST)

YouTube embedded vids for News/News archive[edit]

Just to make things simpler, I've changed the yt template so that you only need add the url part for News/News Archive vids. --Ainz ( talk | contribs ) 13:33, 21 February 2016 (CST)

Dub Name[edit]

Where are you getting these dub names? Is there a list of English name for the D-Spirit? Chimera-gui (talk) 23:47, 6 February 2017 (CST)

I've found some of them in several sources here and there;
D-Spirit 1
  • No.462 EbiBurgermon (Ebi Burgamon)
  • No.463 HamBurgermon (Burgamon)
  • No.464 Torikaramon (Torikara Ballmon)
  • No.465 Yamon (Yaamon)
  • No.479 Fiendmon (Boogiemon)
Source
  • No.506 Darukumon (Darcmon)
  • No.508 Murumukusumon (Murmukusmon)
  • No.509 Onisumon (Ornismon)
  • No.511 Arukadhimon (Rookie~Mega)
  • No.512 Sutorabimon (Strabimon)
  • No.513 Pail Volcanomon (Pile Volcamon)
Source
  • No.523 Raihimon (Rhihimon)
Source
D-Spirit 2
  • No.562 TigerVespinemon (TigerVespamon)
  • No.563 MetalPiranhamon (MetalPiranimon)
  • No.564 Deaxmon (Death-X-mon)
  • No.567 Grandymon (Gladimon)
  • No.569 Mermeidmon (Mermaimon)
Source
  • Drimon (Dorimon)
  • Dolmon (DORUmon)
  • Dolgamon (DORUgamon)
  • Dolgreymon (DORUguremon)
  • Dolgoramon (DORUgoramon)
  • Deaxdolgamon (Death-X-DORUgamon)
  • Deaxdolgremon (Death-X-DORUguremon)
  • Deaxdolgoramon (Death-X-DORUgoramon)
  • Sildragomon (Ginryumon)
  • Flydragomon (Hisyaryumon
  • Goldragomon (Ouryumon)
  • Alphamon Goldensword (Alphamon: Ouryuken)
  • Axcabaliermon (Medieval Dukemon)
  • Pulolomon (Puroromon)
  • Volantcatmon (Tobucatmon)
  • Microtyramon (Mametyramon)
  • UtimateBrachiomon (Ultimate Brachimon)
  • Omechamon (Omekamon)
Source
--Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:53, 7 February 2017 (CST)

About your malicious modification skills description and reupload all my pictures without inform[edit]

What is your relationship with TMS ? You two are the same person or what? First of all, modify my skill description without reasons and basis official source,seond reupload all my pictures of miscellaneous without any notification. What is your attitude toward people?

Sorry for the delay in my reply, I really didn't mean to offend you with any of my actions, and forgive me in advance cause I didn't had enough time till now to explain you the reasons behind each of my changes.
Firstly, I re-uploaded the sketches in order to provide them a proper title, cause they had random titles like "37565724959393.png", but I pointed out that you are the original uploader, following the rules of the community, as you can check at the bottom of each one.
Secondly, no TMS and I are not the same person, I simply reverted your edits cause he's been doing a great work with the Attack Descriptions of each page some months from now, and I thought it was convenient to check with him this changes with him before we proceed to include them properly. You have to keep in mind that there are many people who take information from this site, and we have to be cautious with this kind of things, especially when no source is provided. Hope you understand. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:29, 12 March 2017 (CDT)

Adveture designs[edit]

So, I see you've found scans of the Digimon Adventure 15th Anniversary Blu-ray Box concept art book. Can you point me to the source? And does it also have 02 15th scans? I really, REALLY, want pictures of those two booklets. Anime... PAWĀ!!! 09:36, 31 March 2017 (CDT)

I would love to tell you, but unfortunately this scans were originally uploaded by an user called Tamiacoco, which is banned as for now, because he/she broke some rules of the community (I think). I just uploaded them again because Tamiacoco assigned incorrect random names to this files. Maybe you can ask him/her as soon as it is active again. Sorry. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 09:51, 31 March 2017 (CDT)

Translations[edit]

How far along are you on translating the other Legendary Warriors' profiles? Chimera-gui (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2017 (CDT)

I've found them in this thread from WtW, so I'll add a few more :) --Shadow Shinji (talk) 12:19, 11 April 2017 (CDT)

Olympus 12[edit]

Por qué agregaste Next Order como juego donde aparecen los Olympus? --Convergencia Digital (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2017 (CDT)

En una de las misiones aparecen Dianamon y Minervamon como integrantes de los Olympus. Puedes verlo aquí :).
Por cierto, ¿en qué momento se menciona el grupo o alguno de sus integrantes en Digimon Twin y en Accel Nature Genome? No tenía ni idea...--Shadow Shinji (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2017 (CDT)

En el Twin aparece Minervamon con el mismo perfil del Reference Book donde dice que es una integrante del grupo, lo mismo pasa en el Accel con Mercurymon y Neptunemon. Gracias por mostrarme donde salen, nunca jugué next order, así que cosas así se me escapan xD--Convergencia Digital (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2017 (CDT)

Crack Team[edit]

Concerning your latest update to the Crack Team page... I fail to see any direct mentions of Crack Team in the profiles referenced on the Related Digimon section. Is there any proof that the profiles are indeed talking about Crack Team? ShikaSS (talk) 10:43, 12 August 2017 (CDT)

And yes, I have read Convergencia's discussion page about it. It certainly makes sense at first sight, but it certainly is making a lot of assumptions. ShikaSS (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2017 (CDT)
The think is that Convergencia Digital told me that there are quite evidences of this in the booklets of the Ultimate Battle Deck 3, which I'm still waiting to see, apart from the profiles from the Digital Monsters V-Pet line. Apart from that, if you think it twice it's pretty obvious, while not being the group mentioned as such (you know that in Digimon, they love to play with this kind of ambiguous, apart from the fact that the Crack Team is first mentioned quite later than the debut of most of this Digimon; so it would be ultimately kind of a retcon). Worth remind that the official profiles in the DRB and so on, talk about the Core World in Digimon, where the Crack Team, same as the other groups exists; according to this booklets, the Crack Team is responsible of creating the Digimon belonging to the Metal Empire, that is, Mugendramon;
Mugendramon: "It was built by synthesizing the parts of many Cyborg Digimon, and it is thought that all of the Cyborg Digimon produced so far were merely prototypes for the completion of Mugendramon."
So now we know that the Crack Team constructed Mugendramon, and the prototype Digimon that were needed in order to complete its form; that is:
  • Andromon's shoulder pads: "Andromon was developed as a prototype for Cyborg Digimon, and the mechanically-based Andromon and organically-based cyborg Boltmon were manufactured at the same time. This technology was appropriated for Metal Greymon and Megadramon. As a prototype Digimon it possesses neither will nor emotion, and it is faithful to its programmed behavior." It is clear that both Boltmon and Hi Andromon were also manufactured by the same team:
    • Boltmon: "A prototype Cyborg Digimon constructed at the same time as Andromon. Unlike the mechanically-based Andromon, the organically-based Boltmon possessed emotions, as well as power that surpassed Andromon's, but it was difficult to control and ran wild, and was consigned to oblivion in the darkness."
    • Hi Andromon: "An Ultimate Cyborg Digimon that was perfected by improving the incomplete Andromon. The percentage of Chrome Digizoid parts which compose its body has increased, and it is impossible to miss the extent of its gains in offensive and defensive power from this, compared to Andromon."
  • Megadramon's helmet and right claw: "As a Digimon that was artificially remodeled by someone, it was programmed to destroy everything. It can definitely be said that its existence is the epitome of a computer virus. It can easily penetrate Computer Networks protected by strong security, and can very easily destroy and then completely reformat the host computer." In this sense, the profile of Gigadramon states:
    • Gigadramon: "A dark dragon Digimon developed at the same time as Megadramon."
  • Metal Tyrannomon's jaw and chest circuits: "A Cyborg Digimon that remodeled its body in order to acquire mightier powers. After Megadramon was remodeled for anti-air use, Metal Tyranomon was remodeled as an anti-ground interceptor Digimon."
  • Metal Mamemon's Psycho Blasters.
  • Metal Greymon (Virus)'s left claw.
This is pretty conclusive in my opinion; Anyways, I'm not really sure how to handle this information, but at least I think this connections should be noted somehow in the Crack Team page. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 07:23, 13 August 2017 (CDT)
Like I said, I read what Convergencia posted and agree with it from a logical standpoint, but I take issue with treating what are assumptions (eg. just because Andromon was created by the Crack Team, it doesn't mean they were the ones to perfect him into HiAndromon) - albeit based - as facts, a problem I already had when watching Convergencia's video. Again, I do agree it makes sense but I wouldn't include it on a site like this which is meant to only have absolute factual information. At least not without a proper explanation, you know? This fandom is already full of misconceptions. ShikaSS (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2017 (CDT)
No se resolvería esto con poner una pestaña aparte de "digimon relacionados al crack team"? que sea una lista en la que salga nombre del digimon y a un lado cómo esta relacionado con el grupo, y en casos como el de HiAndromon, el cual siento que es el único de la lista que incluí que uno podría debatir que no tiene relacion alguna con el crack team, simplemente se especifica justamente eso, que no hay claridad de si fue el crack team quien lo mejoro o no, en todos los demas las relaciones son demasiado obvias como para simplemente ignorarlas y sacarlas de la página. --Convergencia Digital (talk) 23:41, 14 August 2017 (CDT)
Lo que quiero no es borrarlas de la página, tan sólo pensaba que sería mejor apuntar que las relaciones no estan confirmadas oficialmente. Lo que Shadow Shinji escribió es suficiente para mi ShikaSS (talk) 10:10, 15 August 2017 (CDT)

Aegiomon Chronicle's Titles[edit]

I've been translating the cutscenes to portuguese for a while through the same blog sourced in the page, and it should be noted that every chapter name that's in english is made up by the author, including the title "Aegiomon's Chronicle". The author points this out here "では、デジモンクルセイダー外伝「Aegiomon's Chronicle」(私が勝手に名づけた)、どうぞお楽しみください。" - ShikaSS (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2017 (CDT)

Oh really? Heck my fault. Is there any official name for the storyline then?
I recall them simply being quests, so I don't think there was an actual name for the storyline, but I can't be sure. ShikaSS (talk) 08:49, 13 September 2017 (CDT)

Evolution[edit]

Why did you comment out the evolutions from Digimon Masters and All-Star Rumble? Luph (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2017 (CDT)

Because they are non-canon from a Japanese perspective. DMO comes from South Korea, and All-Star Rumble was only launched in Europe and the Americas. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:54, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
Then it should have been given some kind of warning or sign to indicate it. Commenting them out basically makes people unable to see them which effectively not give any kind of acknowledgment.
These games are still official Digimon games regardless of the country of origin. They are not any "less Digimon" just because it was not released in Japan.
And I fail to see why it's "non-canon from Japanese perspective" is an issue. If that's the case, I don't see the purpose of having pages about DMO and All-Star Rumble here on this wiki, as well as manhua like D-Cyber. They are also "non-canon" from Japanese perspective. Luph (talk) 19:31, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
You kind of misunderstood me. When I'm saying that they are non-canon, I'm not saying they are less Digimon than any other one game. That's why it's pretty natural they have their own pages, info and stuff. While there are some evolutionary routes that make sense, most of them doesn't at all. And that's because Bandai Japan, which is the main company in charge of creating and further developing Digimon, is not invoved at all in this products, so their creators doesn't seem to be concerned about fitting a canon. I'm going to put you an example so you can see whan I'm talking about:
Sakuyamon (Regular Mega) -> Kuzuhamon (Burst Mode).
  • Kuzuhamon's official profile in the DRB: "It is said that only those among them of a high level are able to evolve to Sakuyamon, and they normally just evolve to Kuzuhamon."
  • Burst Evolution: "Enables a Mega Digimon to reach its Burst Mode, an even more-powerful form."
The case of Digimon D-Cyber is slightly different. It's a Bandai Asia exclusive product, but unlike most of the products of Digimon originally made overseas, it's an stand-alone continuity with ots own canon, rules, lore, and universe-building, so it deserves this kind of special treatment. Same case as "Fight! Digital Monsters" manhua. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 19:42, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
Digimon does not really have a canon so to speak because multiverse exist and each series is canon within its continuity.
Also, whether an evolution makes sense or not is pretty much a subjective sentiment and a wiki should only put objective facts. There have been many instances where evolution doesn't really match the profile or completely ignore them. For example, Omegamon's profile stated that it's a fusion of WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, but in other media it can be evolved from a Dynasmon. Or Omegamon Alter-B which can be formed by Titamon and MetalEtemon. There are many other examples of this and they all came from Bandai Japan. Also, it seems like an arbitrary standard to decide which series should get special treatment and which one should not.
It's also a big assumption to say that Bandai Japan as the owner of the series doesn't know or care about what's going on in non-Japanese media. There have been examples in the series where it shows they know and give proper acknowledgments, with the latest and most obvious one is tri having Digimon's English dub names on the Digivice (whereas Asian countries where most Digimon media were released in general use Japanese names).
To give examples, just because McDonald in India doesn't serve beef, it doesn't mean the owner of McDonald in US doesn't know or care about what's going on in India. They know and let the Indian McDonalds have their own version of burgers. It also doesn't make Indian McDonald is less McDonald than the one in the US. Another example is like regionally distributed Pokemon like a Pokemon with special moveset is only distributed in Europe and not elsewhere and this doesn't mean this Pokemon is not canon. It's still a canon information and deserves to be listed and acknowledged.
So, I think these evolutions should be listed with proper indications, like for example in Cyber Sleuth page where Beelzebumon Blast Mode and Cherubimon Vice are listed on the obtainable Digimon, but these are only "canon" to non-Japanese as they are unobtainable in Japanese version. Luph (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2017 (CDT)
I was asked to look at this, presumably because I'm an admin. In my opinion, we should make some note even of evolutions from non-Japanese products (and I believe All-Star Rumble was made by a Japanese studio, which muddies the issue). As long as they are sourced, people can make their own call on whether they want to consider them "canon." It's similar to how we note the dub names of Digimon attacks even when they're nonsensical (and one of these days, God willing, I'm going to source all of those too). Now, whether there needs to be any kind of "warning" about potentially non-canon evolutions, similar to how we put dub attack names in a separate column, I'm not sure. I don't really feel comfortable making that call myself, being rather new as a Wikimon admin. TMS (talk) 17:16, 20 September 2017 (EST)
It's a bit excessively nit-picky not to include information from games that aren't Japanese because they are not "canon" enough. Digimon as a franchise is a massive 20-year clusterfuck with a ton of hands in the pot so to speak. Even the source material can't keep things remotely consistent. As long as all revolutions are properly referenced and sourced, it should not be a big deal.--devkyu (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2017 (CDT)
Okay guys, thanks for your feedback. Anyways, even if we decide to include this kind of incanonical evolutions, how are we supposed to handle them? For example, how does the Super Forms of All-Star Rumble exactly work? Do we want to claim, for example, that Ageisdramon warps evolves from Gomamon, or it is more like a direct evolution from Plesiomon (as his official profile states)? I would say the latter, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this issue too. This would imply that:
  • Agumon >> War Greymon > Omegamon OR Agumon >> War Greymon & Agumon >> Omegamon
  • Piyomon >> Hououmon > Examon OR Piyomon >> Hououmon & Piyomon >> Examon
  • Dorulumon > Shoutmon X4 OR Dorulumon > Shoutmon X4 & Dorulumon > Shoutmon X5B
  • Gabumon >> Metal Garurumon > Omegamon OR Gabumon >> Metal Garurumon & Gabumon >> Omegamon
  • Tailmon > Angewomon > Examon OR Tailmon > Angewomon & Tailmon >> Examon
  • Gomamon >> Plesiomon > Ageisdramon OR Gomamon >> Plesiomon & Gomamon >> Ageisdramon
  • Guilmon >> Megalo Growmon > Dukemon OR Guilmon >> Megalo Growmon & Guilmon >> Dukemon
  • Impmon >> Beelzebumon > Shoutmon X5B OR Impmon >> Beelzebumon & Impmon > Shoutmon X5B
  • Shoutmon > Omega Shoutmon > Shoutmon DX OR Shoutmon > Omega Shoutmon & Shoutmon > Shoutmon DX
  • Tentomon >> Atlur Kabuterimon > Tyrant Kabuterimon OR Tentomon >> Atlur Kabuterimon & Tentomon >> Tyrant Kabuterimon
  • V-mon > XV-mon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode OR V-mon > XV-mon & V-mon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode
  • Wormmon > Stingmon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode OR Wormmon > Stingmon & Wormmon >> Imperialdramon: Fighter Mode
--Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:06, 22 September 2017 (CDT)
It's been a while since I played the game, but I don't recall there being any reference to the second evolution options being evolved forms of the first evolution options. If there is, that's fine, but just going by what we actually see happening we see things like Gomamon directly Warp Evolving to Aegisdramon. So that's what I myself would go with. TMS (talk) 13:37, 22 September 2017 (EST)
I agree with TMS here, for what it's worth.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 13:47, 13 October 2017 (CDT)

Chaos Dukemon Chaos Mode[edit]

Hola de nuevo :3 (revisa twitter), por que agregaste esa pagina para chaos dukemon? esa figura no que no es canon? era una figura estado unidense, minimo yo diria que habria que especificar su procedensia en la pagina para no confundir a la gente--Convergencia Digital (talk) 15:48, 8 October 2017 (CDT)

Así es, pero al tratarse de un Digimon "inédito", podría ser importante que cuente con su propia página en la wiki. Por ello, agregué la etiqueta de "Unreleased Digimon", porque no es un Digimon canon en Japón, al menos por el momento, pero no existe ninguna contraparte original tampoco. Si los editores consideran que no tiene que tener su propia página, se verá supongo. Aún así, trataré de incluir una nota aclaratoria (Malditas notificaciones de Twitter que no aivsan) -.- --Shadow Shinji (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2017 (CDT)

Gaiamon[edit]

Hola, no se como arreglar esto, pero en la pagina de Gaiamon (digimon) pusieron el chip de Gaiamon appmon https://wikimon.net/Gaiamon

Armamon[edit]

Hola amigo, oye quisiera cambiar de una vez por todas la pagina de Armamon. En la imagen que tienen puesta de Armamon no es realmente el Armamon neutro, es Armamon que absorbio a Barbamon y lo usa de espada, el Armamon normal no tiene espada, y yo tengo una imagen del juego de él sin espada para ponerla si es necesario.--Convergencia Digital (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2017 (CST)

¡Disculpa la respuesta tardía! No sé por qué motivo, no se me notificó tu mensaje y lo acabo de ver ahora revisando mi página de discusión. Pues la verdad no tenía ni idea de eso, por descontado sube la imagen y añádela en la página. Podríamos especificar este pequeño detalle de algún modo (algo tipo Armamon (antes) y Armamon (después)) xD Pero en serio, si ese es el caso, entonces ¿de dónde surge OmegaArmamon Burst Mode? --Shadow Shinji (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2017 (CST)

En el juego Barbamon quiere usar a Armamon como su arma para conquistar la LStou zone (o todas las zonas, no recuerdo), pero cuando llega con Armamon su poder era demasiado como para contenerlo, y termina siendo Barbamon el que se convierte en el arma de Armamon. Xros Heart pelea contra Armamon con su Barbamon-espada y lo derrota, liberando a Barbamon en el proceso,quien aprovecha que dejaron totalmente debilitado a Armamon para absorberlo, y asi evoluciona a OmegaArmamon BM.--Convergencia Digital (talk) 07:59, 24 November 2017 (CST)

¡Suena interesante! Conocía un poco sobre la historia, pero no todos los detalles. Estoy deseando ver la imagen de Armamon al natural. Por cierto, esto creo que sucede a mitad del juego más o menos, ¿tú sabes si Barbamon efectivamente evoluciona (o hace Death Evolution) de un ZeedMillenniummon que es una especie de virus digital, o ZeedMillenniummon Y Barbamon son seres distintos? --Shadow Shinji (talk) 09:19, 24 November 2017 (CST)

No, Barbamon y Zeed son seres diferentes en el juego. Durante una quest principal Xros Heart pelea contra zeed en un salon, y luego de que lo derrotas aparece Barbamon por atrás diciendo que Zeed era solo basura espacial (no recuerdo las palabras exactas, como sabras el juego solo esta en japo xD) y luego lo absorbe. Aquí te dejo imagenes del Armamon natural sin espada, y de la escena de Zeed por si te sirve :3 (por cierto, la pelea contra Armamon y Barbamon ocurre al final del juego)--Convergencia Digital (talk) 10:00, 24 November 2017 (CST)

Genial! Estoy retocando todas las páginas para incluir la información corregida :) Muchas gracias compañero! --Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:46, 24 November 2017 (CST)

Hacker's Memory manga[edit]

Hey, did you read the manga somewhere? I can't find it no matter where I look. Anime... PAWĀ!!! 20:57, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

Yup, I found a Chinese-translated version in this Facebook fanpage. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2017 (CST)

Minotaurmon[edit]

Unlike Whamon where Adult and Perfect have been used interchangeably, Minotaurmon hasn't been explicitly treated as a Perfect since 1997 making Perfect an obsolete Level for the species just as it is for many other pre-Adventure species that were originally listed as Perfect. Chimera-gui (talk) 07:45, 23 January 2018 (CST)

Jogress and Fusion[edit]

I know you said treating both methods as Jogress on the evolution sections was only for organizational purposes, but won't that be misleading for people who are not aware of the difference between Fusion and Jogress? If what worries you is organization, then my suggestion would be not to use "Jogress" or "Fusion" at all. Instead, we could simply use, for example, on Ordinemon's case, "Ordinemon (with Raguelmon)". ShikaSS (talk) 09:27, 23 February 2018 (CST)

Agree. It's misleading and contradicts what official sources said. If you were fine to ignore official sources in the name of "organizational purpose", then you may as well remove DigiXros as well since it's just another instance of Digimon fusion and replace everything by "(with <insert name of Digimon>)" like Shika408 said. Here is one example. Also, I noticed you also treated mutation as the same as evolution (even though it was stated to be not the case), so I don't see the point of keeping "Dark Evolution" either since it's just another instance of Digimon evolution. Luph (talk) 06:56, 24 February 2018 (CST)
As for Jogress/Fusion regards, I honestly don't see that much of a difference. Because yeah, the DigiXros/Xros Up is a totally different thing, but what's the core difference between a Jogress and a Fusion (Super Xros Wars aside)? For instance, Omegamon has been treated both as a Jogress (02) and a Fusion (Cyber Sleuth), and If I'm not wrong, it's essentially the same. As for the Mutation/Evolution, yeah in tri. they blatantly state that it's not the same process, but what's exactly the main diffence here too? In my opinion, I think it's just a matter of emphasize Meicoomon's uniqueness, because of being the main character, but biologically-wise, a mutation and an evolution refers to the same process. At least that's what I think. So I'd suggest to just treat the Jogress/Fusion and DigiXros/Xros Up as a separate thing, with the w/ option for the cases which may be confusing to some extent, and mutation as a subtype paragraph of the Evolution process (has this even been differenciated before tri. came out?). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 07:16, 27 February 2018 (CST)
It seems to me that it wouldn't be too difficult to simply note in the text whether something is a Jogress, Fusion, DigiXros, mutation, or whatever. If that gets too cluttered, I think ShikaSS's suggestion is fine. It might be best to do that, actually, since the same combination has sometimes been treated as more than one thing. --TMS (talk) 17:43, 27 February 2018 (EST)
Actually, Omegamon was referred as Fusion (Gattai) even in 02, and again in Xros Wars Hunters. We can also include Digimon cards. Omegamon was treated as Jogress in V-Tamer (iirc) and in games, which could just be because they didn't really bother to code separate cases for Jogress and Fusion in the game, but for plot-related fusion (e.g. Nokia's Omegamon) is still referred as Fusion. The commonly agreed difference between Fusion and Jogress is that Fusion doesn't advance the level of the component Digimon, while Jogress does (e.g. Omegamon is an Ultimate just like WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, while Paildramon is a Perfect when XV-mon and Stingmon are Adult level). In case of Omegamon, it can get murky whether Super Ultimate level is recognized as separate level in a particular universe or not (e.g. Adventure doesn't acknowledge it with both Omegamon and Ordinemon are still listed as Ultimate, while V-Tamer seemed to treat Super Ultimate as its own level, hence Omegamon is a Jogress instead). Ordinemon also is implied to be not an evolution (judging from Koshiro's comment in the latest tri trailer), which seems to further suggest the "non-changing level" trait. Meanwhile, in Super Xros Wars game, Omegamon is a result of DigiXros between WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon.
In the end, I'd just follow what they said it to be as it is not really our concern to deal with the meta-canon. The choice is either listing them as what they said in their respective canon (Jogress, Fusion, DigiXros), or treat all instances of Digimon fusing together as the same by substituting the terms with "(with <insert Digimon name here>)". Same with evolution, be it normal evolution, mutation, dark evolution, etc. I don't think Megidramon in Tamers and ShinGreymon RM in Savers were ever explicitly mentioned as "Dark Evolution" anyway as the term only came out in Adventure series (cmiiw); those were just Evolution in the broader canon sense Luph (talk) 19:03, 27 February 2018 (CST)
The problem is that even if it's commonly agreed, that is still only a fan interpretation and not actually stated by any official lore where the two mechanics may as well be one and the same. For example, MetalGreymon from Xros Wars is a Xros yet could easily be treated as the Jogress of Greymon and MailBirdramon making it equivalent to Paildramon whom itself was a Xros in XW as well. Millenniumon was likewise treated as a Xros in the Xros Wars manga. Chimera-gui (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2018 (CST)
And that's why I said, it is NOT our concern about the "why", but with the "what". It does not change the fact that the official sources used these terminologies - fusion, Jogress, DigiXros, mutation, etc. Those could be different processes altogether, or the same process with different names; it does NOT matter. Wiki should only list information as is (how they were represented in their respective medium). It's either you follow the canon sources, or you just treated them all the same WITHOUT using unrelated, official terminology as that would count as misrepresentation (because you interpreted these processes as "the same", where they could also be different processes). If they said Paildramon and Milleniummon in XW was a DigiXros, then list them as DigiXros; problem solved. Why would you feel the need to force them into one term - "Jogress" when the offical sources didn't say so? Luph (talk) 07:49, 28 February 2018 (CST)
Strictly speaking, I was only elaborating on TMS' earlier point about the terminology being used interchangeably depending on the media and the issue of the fan interpretation because of this. Chimera-gui (talk) 10:32, 28 February 2018 (CST)
Jogress, a word that came about by combining joint and progress, is a method of evolution that was first introduced in the original Digimon Pendulum 20 years ago.
Jogress is done by combining specific Digimon together, resulting in an evolution into a new Digimon. They also point out that while fusion is similiar to jogress, it doesn't change the Digimon's level (they then point out that sometimes, including in the new Pendulums, jogress is used as a catchall term for both jogress and fusion.)
Source. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2018 (CST)
I'm glad they have been acknowledging the difference more and more. Kenji Watanabe had already stated the difference to a fan via twitter. Anyway, I see no point in further discussing this matter. ShikaSS (talk) 08:33, 3 March 2018 (CST)
I still personally consider Jogress, Fusion, and Xros as interchangeable term for what is fundamentally the same mechanic since apart from the level increase, they are functionally the same and just about any Digimon that falls under one could potentionally fall under the other two and in multiple cases already have (again, any Jogress/Fusion in Xros Wars media with DarkKnightmon in the pendulum presumably doing the reverse.) Chimera-gui (talk) 13:13, 3 March 2018 (CST)

Ogudomon[edit]

Hola amigo :3 oye vi que subiste unas imagenes de los modelos 3d de las espadas de ogudomon en el battle terminal y otra imagen que creo que era del modelo 3d de ogudomon, aunque esa imagen ya no la encuentro. De donde sacaste esas imagenes???--Convergencia Digital (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2018 (CDT)

Hola :D Esas imágenes las renderizó un fan chino en base al modelo del BT02, como se puede apreciar al detalle en este vídeo; las puedes encontrar en Twitter: el Modelo en 3D y el detalle de las espadas y las coronas de los Siete Pecados Capitales. El caso fue que al principio creí que este mismo usuario las había extraído del juego arcade de algún modo, por eso las subí a la wiki, pero luego aclaró que en realidad era una recontrucción fidedigna "no oficial" que él mismo había hecho en base al modelo oficial; por ende, sí sirven como referencia puesto que son una reproducción del original, aunque infringían las normas de la comunidad al ser imágenes "fanmade" y él mismo las eliminó. Espero haberte ayudado compañero :) --Shadow Shinji (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2018 (CDT)

Frontier line art[edit]

Shadow, where did you get that line art? Anime... PAWĀ!!! 12:52, April 1, 2018 (UTC)

They come from the Digimon Series Memorial Book, which you can download here in case you are interested. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 05:35, 3 April 2018 (CDT)

Re: Frontier Dub names[edit]

Sure. I forgot to do it while I was editing, but all of those edits to the dub names of techniques and names comes from the european portuguese dub (PROBABLY by extension the european spanish dub aswell, though I have not checked). Weirdly enough, as for technique names, they keep changing them around which might be a bit confusing, for example Aldamon switches to Solar Wind Destroyer during the final arc when it wasn't called that before, same for Agunimon's Burning Salamander and a couple others. One thing I forgot to edit is the characters' ages, though. They appear to be exactly 1 year younger than usual (because of how school works I guess? I have no idea). Anyway, if you want me to post audio-visual evidence I'm sure I can upload clips so you can see for yourself. Thanks! -- Dass077 (talk) 14:59, 18 April 2018 (CDT)

I think that should be enough :) Thanks a lot for your reply! --Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2018 (CDT)