Talk:Angewomon

Adding English profiles
What do we put in the English profiles, an official description or just adequate summerizations? (Mutation 03:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC))

Official descriptions, and if there's alternative official profiles, we try to include them as well. --Ainz ( talk 04:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is this good enough? I'm not sure of the validity but it sounds accurate to me:

Angewomon is an Archangel Digimon whose name and design are derived from a concatenation of "Angel" and "Woman". She is a counterpart to Angemon, but outranks him as shown by her eight wings. She has a gentle personality and is called the goddess of the Digital World but won't allow wickedness and will attack her enemy until it is defeated. It is seen during the Gatomon to Angewomon digivolution (in adventure) that she has blue eyes. The Digicode on her robes reads Digital Monster. LadyDevimon is said to be a fallen Angewomon. (Mutation 04:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC))


 * This type of profile, just a rough:


 * "An Archangel Digimon in the appearance of a beautiful woman. Previously, it was classified as an Angel type, but it was confirmed to be an Archangel type because of its high abilities. As for its features, Adult angels possess six wings, Perfect angels possess eight wings. Its personality is very gentle, however it will not condone the corrupt and evil, and it won't slacken its attacks until the opponent reforms itself. It is said to be a goddess-like being in the Digital World due to its heart and power. Its powerful thunderbolt Special Move is also said to have the alias, "Heaven's Punishment/Judgment"." --Ainz ( talk 06:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We also include Digimon Analyzer Profiles as well, e.g. from Digimon Adventure:

"完全体の天使型デジモン. 必殺技は強力な雷撃『』. ". --Ainz ( talk 02:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Profiles
The first profile is her Accel profile (http://www10.channel.or.jp/digimon/accel/evo/pic.php3?type=e&id=2_951), not her Dictionary profile, but I don't know how to correct that.KrytenKoro06 20:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Dub techniques
Do you guys have info on where those dubs are sourced to?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 09:34, 2 November 2017 (CDT)
 * Well, I can answer most questions. Most are from Rumble Arena 2 (I own it and specifically remember "Lift Your Spirits," partly because it was such a stupid name). "Holy Air" is from Digital Card Battle. According to the DMA. "Bliss of Saints" is what Saint Air was called in Digimon World DS, which I should eventually be able to confirm if necessary. According to the wikia, Holy Arrow and Saint Air retained their names in Digimon World: Data Squad. -- TMS (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2017 (EST)
 * I'm looking for Holy Air/Saint's Air/Bliss of Saints, specifically.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 12:59, 2 November 2017 (CDT)
 * Do we have any sources on the JP attacks used in Digital Card Battle (Digital Card Arena in JP)?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 13:09, 2 November 2017 (CDT)
 * Holy Air is from the dub of Digital Card Battle. See 8:10 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWPe_cmBZ9Y&t=510s (This video series on the whole would be very useful for seeing dub attack names, though a few of the partner Digimon are missing. I can give you a list of Digimon in the videos in the order they appear, if you'd like one.) I can confirm that the attack depicted is Saint Air in the original version, since I own two Japanese player's guides of the game: https://withthewill.net/threads/13442
 * Saint's Air may be incorrect. Like I said, the DMA says it comes from the Data Squad game, but this video at 8:15 shows it isn't possessive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLhxNcf-iWY And yes, that is Saint Air in the original (see 1:39 in this video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1369895207&feature=iv&src_vid=eBGAhR-E434&v=pa4AsNgs0tE
 * Theigno can confirm that Saint Air is called Bliss of Saints in Digimon World DS. Angewomon learns it, and I know it's Saint Air because it's the only recovery move in the game that costs 34 MP. -- TMS (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2017 (EST)
 * By the way, I see you've added Holy Charm to Angewomon's list of attacks. Since the name is similar and the attack is identical, I think this is really just a different name for Heaven's Charm. There are a number of oddities in Battle Chronicle that I could list when it comes to attacks, presumably since a non-Japanese studio produced it. We may want to start thinking about how to handle those rare instances where an attack has multiple Japanese names, as seems to be the case with other things like SkullGreymon's Ground Zero / Oblivion Bird. -- TMS (talk) 15:01, 2 November 2017 (EST)

Evolution
We know that in Adventure, when Agumon or Gabumon did Warp Shinka, we automatically realized that the pre-evolutions of War Greymon and Metal Garurumon were Metal Greymon and Were Garurumon. Let's use this "rule" with Ofanimon: Falldown Mode and Angewomon too?
 * Technically, no. WarGreymon and WereGarurumon were shown to evolve to WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon in V-pets, cards, etc. Ofanimon FM has never been shown to evolve directly from Angewomon, not even in any card or game. Since it was implied, but not directly shown, it is insufficient imo. If they wanted to show that Angewomon could evolve to Ofanimon FM, then they could have shown just that instead of what they did. Also, the official website used the term Dark Evolution instead, and we do not know how Dark Evolution works in general since they never really went to explain the mechanic behind it in detail. Luph (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2017 (CST)
 * But that makes no sense. We know that Dark Evolution only makes a Digimon evolve "wrong" and usually to uncontrolled Digimon. Only that. If Nyaromon is Baby II and Ofanimon: Falldown Mode is Ultimate, this can automatically be considered a type of Warp Evolution. Dark Evolution can be either equal to normal evolution (Greymon -> Skull Greymon) or Warp Evolution (Nyaromon -> Ofanimon: Falldown Mode), the only difference is that it is considered a "wrong" evolution. Magna (talk)
 * When WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon appeared, we saw MetalGreymon and WereGarurumon evolving to them in the evolution sequence. At this point Angewomon to Ophanimon Fall-Down Mode is just an assumption, and a dubious assumption because for all we know Angewomon would usually evolve into Ophanimon first. -- TMS (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2017 (EST)
 * Well, the "essence" of the franchise are the possible thousands of evolutions from one Digimon to another. If Holy Angemon can evolve into Black Seraphimon, why Angewomon can't to Ofanimon: Falldown Mode? I dont even have to mention that many pages here have evolutions that the publishers only assume, this at least has a foundation: Warp Evolution.
 * It's not that it can't, but at this point, we don't have official, concrete proof to back up that other than an assumption, and that is not a factual, verifiable information. Luph (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2017 (CST)
 * I'll just cite one example: Venom Vamdemon. There are no references that it evolves from Fantomon and Ex-Tyranomon, but this is there. Do you have confirmation? I think not. The evolution of Angewomon to Ofanimon: Falldown Mode could be referenced perfectly with "Symbiosis", it would not even need of reference.
 * That's not the same case. It's just some people were lazy to put references in. There, I just edited VenomVamdemon's page to include the sources. Also, "Symbiosis" is fan-translated title befor ethe movie was released without knowing the context. The official translated title is "Coexistence" (which I agree it fits more). Luph (talk)
 * I meant the movie itself, not its name. And it's not a different case, it's pretty much the same thing: it's two evolutions that the most we have to use as a source is logic.
 * It's not a question of logic. It's a question of what we see, and we haven't seen Angewomon evolve into Ophanimon Fall-Down Mode. There shouldn't be any evolutions listed on the pages that we haven't seen. -- TMS (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2017 (EST)
 * I never see Ex-Tyranomon evolving to Venom Vamdemon. I search about this and don't find nothing
 * It's from this card: https://wikimon.net/Bo-341 -- TMS (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2017 (EST)
 * So put the reference
 * By showing Tailmon within Ordinemon, does that verify that Ofanimon FM is at least evolving from Tailmon?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 13:29, 29 May 2018 (CDT)
 * In the DVD of the movies usually has some information and evolutions of the Digimon. The Coexistence DVD had an image showing Angewomon and Ofanimon: Falldown Mode as its evolution. They put it here on Wikimon but someone deleted it ...

Raid Boss?
Should the raid boss version of Angewomon gets its own entry? There is precedent for it given that there's a page for Jyureimon (Christmas Tree) and Gigantic Pumpmon.--Yamato-san (talk) 07:53, 15 January 2023 (CST)
 * gigantic has a different name, whilst cherrymon has a different design. This is just Angewomon sat on chocolate. If the original was in there too I would've as then there'd be lv5 and lv6 but the raid boss is the only one who showed up so in VB lore Angewomon is lv6 as it's the only Angewomon to have shown up (if she gets into one now it doesn't count, as the VN be is a different vpet to the original vb). There was also tonosamamamemon raid boss who's sat on a car but otherwise is just TSmamemon Muur (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2023 (CST)