User talk:Pluvia

Congrats
Hi. Just passing by to say your additions and massive update of the Evolution wiki page it's beyond impressive. It makes the topic way more clear, especially for newcomers, and overall a really useful article. Keep up the God's work (^_^). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 05:43, 31 July 2021 (CDT)
 * I'll second that, for both Evolution and Goggles. Impressive work! --Blaze Dragon(talk) 11:19, 31 July 2021 (GMT-3)
 * well, I'm not as happy with it due to the fact it only covers anime. Muur (talk) 11:10, 31 July 2021 (CDT)
 * I don't think it's the place or timing to make such a negative statement. My intention was to thank the user on the impressive work done and let them know we are happy to have them here. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 01:44, 1 August 2021 (CDT)
 * I mean, what someone is able to write about naturally depends on what they know. For me, that's mostly the anime and the Reference Book null-canon. If I tried to write about, say, the original World, I'd make a fool of myself, and that wouldn't do any reader much good. It's certainly not like the pages can't someday be expanded by somebody else to cover the blind spots I've left behind. --Pluvia (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2021 (CDT)
 * Kinda unrelated to the original statement, but do you think "Forced DigiXros" should has its own entry in the evolutions listed for DXW? As far as I am concerned, it was first shown in the episode 21 of the anime as a different kind of evolution when the Darkness Loader was firstly being tested by DarkKnightmon. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2021 (CST)

Digimon Tables
I don't know if I'm doing this correctly, so I apologize in advance. I liked your idea regarding detailed RPG tables. I would like to make a template for the Story series games, but I don't know much about editing. Would you help me?

D-Tector Digi-Digit
Here are some of the Digi-Digit I found on D-Spirit 2 that may work on (some versions of) D-Tector, I hope you can try them out, since I no longer get any D-Tector with me now. I tested these Digi-Digit on my D-Spirit and found that the Digi-Digits for Lucemon, Bokomon and Digimon from the Frontier movie are not working, but the rest are fine.

Lopmon - S17T3

Armadillomon - G0ZKT

Labramon - 82R9F

Kotemon - F566A

Bearmon - 01BJP

Kyubimon - KKU9S

Aquilamon - SZCBE

Seasarmon - NUP7J

Dinohyumon - FIX7U

Grizzlymon - Y3K1F

Darukumon - ZJEQ3

Taomon - X0O9G

Silphymon - 6XXXG

Hipo Gryphonmon - MUMWX

Sakuyamon - H056D

Valkyrimon - 8EFWT

Vikemon - B4L8I

Anubimon - F6BAU

Apokarimon - LAE2A

Lucemon - CG096

Murumukusumon - JR070

Onisumon - JITC1

Bokomon - SCFYF

-- Kusten (talk) 14:52, 12 December 2021 (CST)


 * Much obliged. I've tested all of these on my v4, and everything up to Lucemon works perfectly. Like your D-Spirit 1, the v4 does not recognise the codes for Lucemon, Murmuxmon, Ornismon or Bokomon as valid (although the rest of the Revival digimon codes work fine). I imagine the devices are just inconsistent with each other and assign these digimon different codes (like how the Revival digimon and Lucemon's two later forms have different sprites between the D-Tector and the D-Spirit 1).--Pluvia (talk) 22:49, 12 December 2021 (CST)

citramon
here is one interview about citramon https://thestoop.tv/2022/02/03/jeff-nimoys-memories-of-digimon-data-squad/ he also includes some new stuff about how he wanted to name it tangerinemon. do with it what you want. has mention of disney not wanting bombernanimon and the producers changing it to keep the episodeMuur (talk) 23:19, 17 February 2022 (CST)


 * Well, that's something. Appreciated. It's funny, I have very strong memories of Nimoy posting bits of commentary as the Savers dub aired, including commentary on how the reason Lord Knightmon, Bio Spinomon and Bio Lotusmon wound up with those mistranslated names in the dub was actually that Toei insisted that they were correct, but I can't for the life of me locate that stuff. Doesn't help that I think I only heard about those secondhand. --Pluvia (talk) 19:52, 18 February 2022 (CST)

US/Asia Digivices
Hi! You're doing really amazing work documenting these devices. I've been doing a lot of research myself, and I'm almost done with a D-Tector v2 guide. I also have map and menu sprites for pretty much all the US/Asia releases. I think we should compare notes and info.

There's a couple things you should know. There's actually 5 versions of the D-Tector. The version you haven't added info on is the v2 Asia version. The releases went like this: First version: US/EU/AUS v1 Second version: US/EU/AUS v2, Asia v1 Third version: AUS v3, Asia v2 Fourth Version: Asia v3 Fifth Version: AUS/Asia v4

The third and fourth version are super similar. They have the same map sprites, the only difference is on the third version they're "area 1, area 2" etc. and in the fourth version they're "???, Fire, Water" etc.

Another thing is the first two versions had lower stats for Digimon than the last 3. I have all the stats for the second version, and it looks like the stats you've added are for later versions? Unfortunately I'm really bad at editing Wiki tables and that kind of thing, so I don't know how to put my data on here...

If you have Discord, I'd love to hear from you! My handle is Fëanen #0298 (space added to prevent being spambotted). I'm happy to share any and resources I have if you're interested.

Elentir (talk)
 * Three minor thing regarding versions. First, I have a "third version" Australian V3 (branded "Version 3" on its box; has a Takuya-colour, upgrade-style shell; bought from a reputable brick-and-mortar toy shop back in 2004), but its contents fit your description of a "fourth version" Asian v3 since its map areas are named after the elements. Any idea what might be going on here? That said, your versioning scheme definition does otherwise explain why its debug screen calls it a "D-TEC ASIA V2.00".
 * Secondly, how do the shell styles line up with the Asian versioning line/the overall versioning scheme you've identified? For US/EU/AUS models I've gotten used to the idea that original-style shell = V1 and V2, and upgrade-style shell = V3 and V4, so when I started seeing pictures of boxed Asian releases and how they brand their versions, I just uncritically applied that standard to them too. For instance, on the page I noted some Hong Kong special edition "Version 2s" with original-style shells that I'd seen on online marketplaces as being, well, Version 2 as I thought I knew it. If they actually are "third versions" by your definition, that's actually fascinating, that the guts of this version ended up in both shell styles. (I wonder where the Version 3s that Wikimon currently already has photos of fall in all of this.)
 * Thirdly, I have to ask about the Digimon roster differences. For me, that was a nice, easy demarcation point between the four versions as I knew them. Do the "third" and "fourth versions" as you've defined them have the same roster, i.e. everything except the Revival of the Ancient Digimon characters?
 * Also, yes, all the stats currently up are sourced from my V4 (for what it's worth, there's a note saying as much in a comment bit before the table begins). I haven't exhaustively compared between versions (I own at least one of every Australian release model, but my V2s and V3 are currently nonfunctional; it's also prevented me from being able to see what the debug version screens say for my V2s, which is a shame, that'd be very useful information right about now), but I don't recall observing any major differences between it and my V1, with the caveat that in comparison I've spent far less time with my V1. I suppose that next chance I get, I'll have to mass input Digi-Digits to verify everyone. -Pluvia (talk) 19:00, 22 February 2022 (CST)
 * Yes, the Australian third version is the same internally as the Asia second versions with the clear bodies. The version numbers, internal and external, are totally messy, and it's actually kind of hard to talk about them without confusion. My friend Airdramon of Lost in Translationmon and I only just recently discovered that Australia got different versions than Asia, according to what we knew they were the same.
 * My main source is the spreadsheet linked here . I think it's accurate for Asia, but got mixed up about Australia. The Asia V1s are what Australia and America call V2s (with Kouichi in the second round), but with the V1 shells (Takuya, Kouji and Junpei colors), and the Asia V2s have transparent bodies and the same gameplay as the Australian V3s. Asia V3s have bodies like the Australian V3s, except the red has different buttons and there's the special Tomoki and Izumi shells.
 * As far as the Asia V2 and V3 go (third and fourth software version), the map and boss layout is the same and the Digimon roster is exactly the same - not a single Digimon is different. I almost wonder if they didn't just take the same software, tweak a few things, put it in the upgraded shell and call it a V3 for Asia too. As far as the US and Australian V2 goes, I've documented like 98% of it and from what I've seen most of the Digimon stats are the same as the V1, which were written down on an old Geocities site I found (but it's full of intrusive ads, so I'm reluctant to link to it...) The only stats that changed that I know of between V1 and V2 are Seraphimon and Ophanimon. If you ever want to double check the V1, please don't waste your time doing Digi-Digits. If you go into the debug menu and select any random Digimon you can battle it and then you should end up on Map 1 with a complete Digi-Database. I may be able to get my hands on a V1 soon to verify this stuff for myself, actually.
 * It's interesting that the areas are elemental, I didn't think I'd seen that. Maybe that was changed between the Asia and Australia release (boy this gets confusing fast). The only difference I really know of is the opening cutscene and (I thought) map names And maybe random Digimon encounters, that I wouldn't know. It's hard to figure out the random encounters on these because they change as you level up (US/AUS V1 and V2 go to level 99, I think the others go to level 150). There's a few things on the article that are mistaken about the V2 US, but they're minor and I can fix them if you want. For example, bosses like Grottomon can be added to the D-Dock like any other Digimon. I'm working on a way to get my guide accessible on the web, but I'm totally new to stuff like web design so I have to figure some stuff out.
 * Honestly, the versioning is starting to make sense. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the western V2 release actually branded "Version 2" despite the otherwise obvious difference from the western V1. It's not on the boxes (despite them being redesigned), it just reuses the V1 manuals, and even Bandai America's official site has referred to "Version 1" for walkthroughs that clearly describe the contents of Revision 2/the American "Version 2". I've even seen both versions are mixed and matched and treated collectively as a complete range on carded-bubble packaging variants. I wonder if V2/the Asian Version 1 just sort of supplanted the American V1 and they just didn't think about it especially hard.
 * Unfortunately, the western!V1 debug menu controls differently from how it does in the AU!V3 and V4, in juuust the right way that selecting anything in the test modes in this way doesn't seem possible. The A button scrolls through entries in an individual test mode, and B switches to the next test mode along (Sound > Digimon neutral sprites > Ability attacks > Sound). The other buttons aren't any help (C backs out to the black screen, and the motion sensor button just seems to block inputs of other buttons from having any effect).
 * The explanation of random encounters being tied to level explains so much. My mistake for going in assuming it was all static. -Pluvia (talk) 07:00, 23 February 2022 (CST)

goggles
we count keisuke (hm) and ritsu (dreamers) visors as goggles, so if ruri uses a visor in that episode of ghost game you may as well count it as well.Muur (talk) 22:08, 8 March 2022 (CST)
 * Now that's a philosophical question. Maybe Ritsu, at least, should be discounted? (I did feel a bit weird throwing him in at all in the first place.) But then on the other hand, I'd point to the Ruri case being a visor that's pretty clearly built into a helmet and part of its package deal, whereas Keisuke and Ritsu's are their own separate instruments. I'm not even sure those rental racing goggles Hiro and Kiyoshiro had belong there either, I was mostly just making someone else's edit bringing them up a bit more presentable. I dunno, at the end of the day I'm not especially interested in splitting hairs over what does and doesn't count as a goggle. --Pluvia (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2022 (CST)

Missing D-Spirit Sprite
Do you know that Digimon Wiki actually has most, if not all, of them? --Kusten (talk) 15:15, 5 May 2022 (CDT)
 * I know, but a) I don't believe in stealing their hard work, and b) mistakes in replicating the sprites can slip in, so I prefer to do it myself so it's at least my mistake. --Pluvia (talk) 04:04, 10 May 2022 (CDT)
 * DW and Wikimon are sister wikis, so as long as you credit and say you took it from DW it's fine.Muur (talk) 11:02, 18 May 2022 (CDT)
 * I mean I ripped them all and you are totally welcome to steal them, that's the point actuclly :) but I do agree there might be some mistakes slipped in, especially the earlier ones :P --Kusten (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2023 (CDT)

gargoyle
do you have the video that calls that digimon b sent gargoylmon? when it comes to BK, its shortened in japanese too.Muur (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2022 (CDT)
 * Enjoy. This entire dungeon is a delightful treasure trove of one-off munted digimon name mistranslations. And yeah, through the power of documentation existing, I'm aware that the JP version abbreviates things as well. I guess I just didn't think to bother. --Pluvia (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2022 (CDT)
 * seems like the british guys that did it ran it through google translate.Muur (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2022 (CDT)

Dub Citations
Hey, just to save you some extra work, generally there's no need to specifically cite the English version of things for localized attack names and such, except in cases where it really matters, due to things like the same card number meaning two different things. --TMS (talk) 04:17, 19 July 2022 (EST)

Diablomon's Yami no Chikara
What is the source on this attack? I can't find it in the online guide. --TMS (talk) 12:59, 31 July 2022 (EST)
 * Playthrough of JP Anode Tamer; attack is at timestamp 30:06 / EN Veedramon Version screenshot that I personally took / Japanese fansite documenting its effects and obtain criteria --Pluvia (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2022 (CDT)
 * Interesting, thank you. Since you saw it in the color version, what color were those fireballs, if that's what they are? --TMS (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2022 (EST)
 * Sorry, I don't remember, I didn't even think to take a screenshot of the attack VFX, and I don't think I have a save file near the Piemon fight anymore. Maybe if I go digging around in backups I might be able to check, but I can't promise anything. --Pluvia (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2022 (CDT)

pipimon
according to dub wiki pipimon has 酸の泡 in Encyclopedia IV, whatever that is.Muur (talk) 09:56, 27 August 2022 (CDT)
 * Okay yeah, maybe I jumped the gun on that one. While my first instinct would be to seek out that source to verify the claim (because god knows I've seen enough cases of citing a source that doesn't actually touch on the described content), when the source in question isn't easily accessible and the Wikia, I suppose, has a decent enough track record of citing their sources, maybe it's worth taking them on faith? As far as identifying the book in question goes, I have to imagine it's the "TV Anime & Movie Anime Digimon Adventure 02 Official Zukan IV". --Pluvia (talk) 17:58, 27 August 2022 (CDT)
 * It's correct. I own the book in question. --TMS (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2022 (EST)
 * Much obliged. --Pluvia (talk) 22:23, 27 August 2022 (CDT)

Digital Card Arena Deck Names
Hey, do you have a list of the owners of the Digital Card Arena decks? The guide I own only covers the first two parts of the game, so decks from the third and final part I don't recognize. Where did you get them from, by the way? --TMS (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2022 (EST)


 * They're directly extracted from the game; i.e. I extract the disc's contents using (in the case of PS1 games) the utility jPSXdec, look through specific files for what I'm looking for, clean it up and make it presentable. My methods are, uh, extremely, extremely primitive and terminally dependent on utilities built by others (picture "open in a hex editor, ctrl+f a term I'm looking for, copypasta into Notepad++ and spend hours manually cleaning"). I'd wager that just about any programmer of moderate skill could throw together a script that gets the information one's looking for more artfully.
 * I never even thought to give the decks much consideration; I only went in looking for technique names. Off the top of my head, I recall the format of the deck name string entries including name strings for their owners nearby; I'd be willing to go after that information again at some point. --Pluvia (talk) 03:22, 4 September 2022 (CDT)
 * I see. Thank you. If you do get around to it, please let me know. --TMS (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2022 (EST)

=dorbickmon= whys hes listed as a regular evo on Greymon (Blue) (X-Antibody) is there an effect im missing?Muur (talk) 09:52, 4 September 2022 (CDT)


 * No clue, I didn't touch the evolutions or put him there, and I don't have much working knowledge of the DCG. --Pluvia (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2022 (CDT)

=Traits and Passive Skills in Video Games= I thought I commented on this when I made an earlier edit, but probably you missed it. I wonder if it might be preferable to have traits and passive skills in the video game stat boxes display in English by default, since unlike the attacks they are typically in Japanese and mean nothing to the typical wiki-goer, making it annoying to have to hover over every one of them individually to see what they mean. I think it would be better to display the Japanese pronunciations via hovering if someone wants to check it for some reason. --TMS (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2022 (EST)
 * I entirely agree. I think what happened is, I got a bit twisted up over what to do with them vis a vis the standard attack/equipment habits, and overcompensated much too far toward Preserving The Original And Downplaying The Subjective English Interpretation, neglecting all those times said interpretation is already standard practice. Sorry about that. --Pluvia (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2022 (CDT)
 * No worries. I'm glad that information for game appearances is starting to get added. --TMS (talk) 03:24, 13 September 2022 (EST)

=Bootleg D-Tectors?= Hello. Non-JP Digivices are always so hard to figure out if they're bootleg or not, but since you're the one updating the D-Tector pages, I figured you might be able to help me. I wanted to know if you are aware of the following D-Tector models and their legitimacy. here they are. Excuse me for bothering for a reason like this. ShikaSS (talk) 23:31, 3 October 2022 (CDT)
 * Actually, nevermind. I'm pretty much convinced those are bootlegs, given some other pictures I just found ShikaSS (talk) 23:47, 3 October 2022 (CDT)
 * Yeah, these are some of the bootleggiest bootlegs to ever bootleg. The main tell is the shell, which resembles those of Japanese D-Scanners instead of international D-Tectors; the cues to look for are a) the face buttons (D-Tectors depart from both Frontier itself and the D-Scanners by having them all the same size and slightly rotated), b) the absence of the LED for the motion sensor, and c) the "DIGITALCODE SCAN SYSTEM" text bordering the screen (only seen on D-Scanners). There's much more here that one could have a go at, but hey, we're already in agreement that they are Bootlegs with a capital B. --Pluvia (talk) 00:07, 4 October 2022 (CDT)

=Hello there= Hello Pluvia. I would like to let you know how much I appreciate your edits here. Thanks to your great compilations, the wiki is turning into a more cohesive and well-dedicated place of information that it was before. On a personal level, I've seen all the fantastic edits you've been doing in different pages from several topics and generations. Since I am a big Digimon Universe Appli Monsters fan, I was wondering if you have thought, by any chance, giving the same treatment to some pages from this generation, like the one for the Appli Drive/DUO, Appliarise, AR-Field, AppLink, Digimon Universe (game), Leviathan, Minerva, just to name a few. Anyways, I would be more than glad to help you with anything you may need, if you think about doing it anytime in the future. Please feel like at home at Wikimon. Thanks for reading, have a wonderful day! --Shadow Shinji (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2022 (CST)