Wikimon:Community Portal

Discussion page header
I have no clue how to do it, but can someone please add that blurb about threading comments to the header of each discussion page? I'm assuming it can be done. Thanks. --Koroku 21:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Brave Tamer and Evolutions
Since the obtainable Partner Digimon in Brave Tamer are supposed to be the same as those from the Anime, and the Game is canon, could the Evolution lines in that Game be used to complete the Evolution Lines of the Partner Digimon from Adventure, 02 and Tamers? That means Ultimates for the Adventure ones, Baby Is for the Main Tamers ones and also Monodramon's Adult? --MugenSeiRyuu 23:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

If we were to include all of the evolutions from the Wonderswan and Wonderswan Color games it could get confusing. Though I admit that the Brave Tamer evolutions made a whole lot more sense. This really falls into the gray area. While the overall story of the games seems to be cannon, some elements of the game, particularity the battle system doesn't seem to be. Ryou and Ken don't seem to be able to evolve just any Digimon they meet, or over people's Digimon, as they did in the games.--Daisuke Motomiya 04:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, this is not about Ryou and Ken ( who is not in Brave Tamer ), but about just the forms themselves. Yes, the System is different, but given that they are the same Digimon as those from the Anime, I think we could add them. --MugenSeiRyuu 09:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

To clarify it a bit, in Brave Tamer nearly all the Digimon ( with the Expection of Monodramon, AFTER defeating Mille ) follow a single evolutionary non-branched line. The one based on the Anime. You know what is unfortunately often called the "True Line". Using Brave Tamer,we would be able to complete the Anime Lines so far. This would add Ultimates for the Adventure and 02 Digimon, aswell as Baby I Forms for the Tamers ones ( which are, unsurprisingly, exactly those designed to be their Baby I Forms...) aswell as Strikedramon as Monodramon's Adult--MugenSeiRyuu 23:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with adding them. We can simply put a note at the bottom of the page which evolutions are from the Brave Tamer game, if we decide to do so. Though, one thing: Would we add Z'd Millenniumon to Monodramon's evolution line, as he is an accessible evolution of Cyberdramon after you beat the game? --devkyu 01:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I thought we would put a note, or give a source where those come from. Just like with the regular Digimon Entries. Probably should have mentioned that. Adding Z'd Mille to Monodramon ? I think so, but ofcourse with a note where it comes from. --MugenSeiRyuu 10:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I edited the profiles. Problme is that the Reference to Brave Tamer shows up three times in Cyberdramon's and V-mon's notes, aswell as two times in those of Hawkmon and Armadimon. Also, GranKuwagamon does not show up on Wormmon's page.--MugenSeiRyuu 23:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what the problem is for Wormmon's. The template isn't designed for any more than three Ultimates. I'll just give it a quick edit and it should show up. I'll check the multiple references showing up. I remember having that problem a while back. --devkyu 02:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Okay, I found the problem with the references. It's missing the "refname" part in the beginning. If that part isn't added, every reference (even if they are the same) will come up as seperate ones rather than all being listed under a single one. --devkyu 02:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Digimon Channel is back!
Good news! Not only is Digimon Channel back to it's old adress http://www.digimon.channel.or.jp/ but Digimon,net is also now accesable without having to use Proxy Site! http://digimon.net --MugenSeiRyuu 10:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Looks like not all links on the Digimon Channel Adress work ( Dictionary works however ), but they do on the Digimon.net adress. Also they seem to have removed some dead links, like the one for the Digimon Cardass Website. --MugenSeiRyuu 13:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Agumon Black and YukiAgumon
Given that both have variations based on the Body Design of Agumon (2006 Anime Version ), would that make those two two more variations of Agumon? --MugenSeiRyuu 23:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they might be more along the lines of Kudamon, where it's a visual remodel, but the skills and techniques are still the same. I suggest we add images of the body designs next to the originals, like how it is on the Kudamon page. --devkyu 03:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I checked their cards again,just to make this one sure: They are not along the lines of Kudamon, because like the Savers Agumon, they are Dinosaur Types, as opposed to Reptile Types. Sure, some Digimon are classifid into more than one type, but changing their Type AND their Design?--MugenSeiRyuu 09:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Ophanim and Throne
Aren't those two the same? Because Ofanimon is listed as the former, while her Core Version is listed as the latter. Also the Type Page names it the former aswell. Just asking before I mode something.--MugenSeiRyuu 22:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--MugenSeiRyuu 23:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Some Improvements
Just a couple of things I've noticed, firstly can we instead of listing every single time an evolution is shown in the media, just list one, so for on pages like Agumon we don't have hundreds of references to get to Greymon? Secondly, the Debut screen is a touch too big and ends up stretching the page, as shown here. and finally when Pawitp changed the skin colours, you now can't read changes that happened on the default skin for example ? Just asking/pointing out. --Lightlowemon 03:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

For the evolutions, I would prefer to keep them as-is, as the problem of a mass of references only pops up for certain very popular digimon, like Agumon and Gabumon. You can never really have too much information. As for the Debut screen, it gives me the same problem on my current resolution, but looks fine on any widescreen format, I've noticed.--devkyu 04:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll see If I can change the debut screen size and the changes background color. As for the reference thing, I think it's really tedious putting up every single instance of evolution. --Ainz ( talk 08:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ainz, concerning the evolutions, I agree Ainz,it is tedious, and considering we have to change them all anyway to fit the new referencing system, I figure, less work to do, easier time doing it. --Lightlowemon 03:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Well for main Digimon's evolutions we could just link to their character page (like how Zudomon links to Gomamon (Adventure)).--Daisuke Motomiya 19:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the new color change, is anyone finding it difficult to see the text (particularly the red text)? --Ainz ( talk 05:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Zukan Scans
Now that my internet is back up, I can start posting the Digimon Zukan scans. Right now, the files I have in my online gallery are at 100dpi, but I have the originals at a much larger size, so if anyone wants any particular pages at the highest resolution, be sure to tell me. Once I get everyone scanned, cleaned and uploaded, I will be putting the original size in a zip file. Right now I only have a few pages up, but I'll keep adding more every chance I get. Trying to scan the pages in without actually unbinding the book takes a bit more time.

Here's the link--devkyu 20:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what is Digimon Zukan? Is it a manga?Daisuke Motomiya 20:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it usually has some little manga stuff in it, but for the most part it's essentially a glorified V-pet guide with pictures, profiles, and other neat little things in it. --devkyu 20:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Biographical Information
The templates for the Biographical Information has white text over yellow rows which makes it almost unreadable. We should probably change the text to black.--Daisuke Motomiya 08:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Ainz ( talk 08:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I still couldn't see it. I modified the colors for the Biographical Information on the Motomiya Daisuke page so I could see it.  Do you think it would be good on all the character pages or should other colors be used?--Daisuke Motomiya 09:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Those colors work well and are much easier to see. --devkyu 08:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Updated all of the anime ones. I also updated the template so the new colors will be automatic when new character pages are made.--Daisuke Motomiya 09:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Digimon or Not?
I've got this figure that I've had for a while now, and I thought it was a Digimon. I thought I saw a picture of it once, but it's possible that I'm just imagining that.

Here's a picture of it: 

If that isn't clear enough, it's a green monster with a yellow face and a brown band on its forehead. It has pink, elongated spikes on its back, and it seems to be holding some sort of red sphere.

Is this a Digimon? If so, what one? --Atreyumon 05:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, definitely not a Digimon. --Ainz ( talk 05:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Image Edits
Quick question. For the card cut-outs I've been working on, would it be best if they were all downsized and kept at 320x320 like the Digimon Dictionary standard, or should I just keep them at their usually-larger sizes?

Also, on another note, I got the Digimon Zukan in and am in the middle of scanning most of the book. I should have scans up within a week or so. --devkyu 05:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I personally like the larger sizes. The card page template will resize them as needed (and they will have higher quality). and users can click on the card image to see the the full size.--Daisuke Motomiya 00:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, the larger images are better I find.--Lightlowemon 02:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Card List Table, Attack Technique Table, etc.
I'm not too sure if this was addressed earlier, but it seems that the font color or something of the sort makes some of the Attack Technique tables a bit difficult to read. On that note, the 'Full Card List' is also difficult to make out with the default wiki skin. I suppose my question is, are we slowly changing these tables to be more visible, or is there a certain 'skin' that the wiki should be viewed under to be able to see the info without having to highlight it? --Tsum 03:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Originally the default color for text in tables, but this interfered with other things preventing them from being visible so pawitp fixed this, so that's the reason why they're difficult to read. I'll add the "color:black" to each table style. --Ainz ( talk 04:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Spam Accounts
Over the past few days, there seems to be an increase of spam accounts that seem to be in a similar format, for example "Blytheflynchj" and "Everettznealn‎", do you think we should add something to reduce this, e.g. CAPTCHA and/or email confirmation when registering? --Ainz ( talk 00:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't you already have to do a confirmation e-mail thing to be able to use your account? --Lightlowemon 01:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently, the e-mail part is optional so its not required in activating an account. --Ainz ( talk 01:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, activate e-mail confirmation then. --devkyu 01:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Another alternative to test would be the extensions SpamBlacklist, Title_Blacklist and ReCaptcha, I'm thinking now that they possibly might be able to bypass e-mail confirmation, but nonetheless.... --Ainz ( talk 22:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * At this point, I don't care what method is used, because I swear if I see one more red User Creation Log entry after every three edits, I am going to destroy Shibuya. --devkyu 14:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that pawitp has been extremely busy lately so if I were to ask him to install any/whichever of those extensions, it won't happen until some time in thew late future, unless I ask Koroku, but I have a feeling I might be unsuccessful in doing so. --Ainz ( talk 14:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So what do we do? Anyway we can block the ip? Or are they changing it every time? Do we block the accounts? --Lightlowemon 05:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As an experiment, I'll try blocking one of them and adding an IP ban to see if that works. --devkyu 21:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll assume it didn't work then. So what else can we do? --Lightlowemon 02:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey. If you link me to the extensions you need, or any config changes you want, I'll try to do them. I'm really dumb when it comes to Wiki, but I can try. :S --Koroku 02:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * --The bottom one might possibly be the most effective Ainz ( talk 02:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * --The bottom one might possibly be the most effective Ainz ( talk 02:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * --The bottom one might possibly be the most effective Ainz ( talk 02:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * --The bottom one might possibly be the most effective Ainz ( talk 02:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

New Reference Templates
I've created a reference template named " " which should make card references easier to input, so instead of typing, simply type  , for Card Game Alpha typing in Da or SPa will automatically produce Dα and SPα respectively. For example: gives,  gives. I'm going to work on a similar template for games and anime episodes/movies. --Ainz 14:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll get to work on changing them as I go.--Lightlowemon 01:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Digimon.net
Okay, the Digimon Channel has moved to that adress and seemingly profiles for AncientMermaimon and DORUmon are online. But has anyone been able to view that site today? Because I can't and I trird three different Browsers... --MugenSeiRyuu
 * Its not working for me either, unless there still transferring stuff. --Ainz 12:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really hope that is the reason. Would suck if the site won't be viewable forever.

EDIT: Seems like an ISP Problem. Was able to overcome it by using a proxy site.--MugenSeiRyuu
 * Yeah, I get the same results. I guess they hate us fans who don't live in Japan. -devkyu 18:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you do the "proxy-thing"? --Ainz 19:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I use that site: http://anonymouse.org/ and type in Digimon.net While it does not display the site properly, it atleast allows to access it. While I would rather not have to use it, it's the best I can do. Oh, also seems like not all people outside of Japan have that problem, just those with certain ISPs, as I was able to access the site from a Computer at my University.--MugenSeiRyuu
 * I've tried using other proxy sites and none of them are showing up for me, must be the ISP. --Ainz 20:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

In that case, I shall be your eyes for Updates!.--MugenSeiRyuu
 * This proxy works just fine for me and displays the page properly: --devkyu 07:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've tried the site devkyu mentioned and it works fine, and I've retried "http://anonymouse.org" and it works as well. All this time I was putting "www" before the address, so no wonder why it didn't work. --Ainz 09:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you view the site completely, or is the Flash part also blank for you? --MugenSeiRyuu 16:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Flash part's blank for me as well. --Ainz ( talk 17:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone who can see it? --MugenSeiRyuu 23:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, blank for me to. I right clicked it and essentially got Movie Not Loaded... likely meaning they took it down for some reason. It worked when I originally looked at the website with the prxy a week back. Maybe they're finally switching out that HEY, BRAND NEW DIGIMON TWIN ad after... what, two years? --devkyu 00:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Everything looks like it's loading perfectly fine for me and the rest of Australia. --Lightlowemon 01:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Good for you. Please inform us if you see anything new. @Devkyu: LOL! Yeah that and the LR Battles..--MugenSeiRyuu 14:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Question about References
I thought I might as well ask this before I continue for consistency's sake, but how would I go about adding a reference to a version of a V-Pet rather than a card? That is to say, what exactly would I put in the or the brackets after that? --Tsum
 * I'm going to work on a general ref template which should make things more effect, for example when typing in the V-Pet version, the ref name will automatically bet set. --Ainz 12:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: License Suggestion
I've had thoughts of going under the Creative Commons License rather than the GFDL, and the main reason being this:
 * Attribution: "Licensees may copy, distribute, display and perform the work and make derivative works based on it only if they give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by these" - i.e it will make it not as simple for unlicensed wikis or ones with incompatible licenses - e.g the GFDL - to directly copy our material without crediting us.

Anyone have any other thoughts regarding this? --Ainz 06:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Who wants to copy our stuff?--Daisuke Motomiya 06:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I have two questions about Digimon Tamers
Hi,

I have two questions about Digimon Tamers.

1. I have read, that Henry Wong has previously often thrashed with somebody (often has someone beaten). Is that so? If so, did anybody know the name of the episode?

2. Did Takato thrashed/beaten with Henry, have they a fight ( I've read that there was something with Rika and Henry would not be looking for her and then Takato has beaten Henry, because most of the other leaders fight with other, like Tai and Matt^^)? If so, did anybody remember what happens in the episode or did anybody know the name and number of the episode?

Many thanks in advance.

--Dragonlady 17:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * 1. That was only mentioned, never shown.


 * 2. Neither Takato nor Jenrya are the type for that. Fights like that usually are between the Goggleboy and the Lone Wolf, who in case of Tamers is Ruki. Ruki at first did not want to help when Guilmon disappeared, but later joined the search. But no violence was used. So I would say that this Epi is not what you are looking for.

--MugenSeiRyuu


 * Thank you for your reply :)
 * In whitch Episode does it happens?


 * Maybe someone else knows any other scenes?
 * --Dragonlady 09:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Gaogamon
There is a problme with that page, as he was never named as such. Just as a black Gaogamon, nver as BlackGaogamon.MugenSeiRyuu

Hard drive failure
Okay, so I happened to suffer a massive hard drive failure a few days ago, and almost every file I tried to pull off of it was corrupt... so I might be not-all-here for a while, while I try and rebuild my archive and cheatsheets. That and my wacom tablet decided to die on me too for unrelated reasons, so image edits will have to stop for a while. I had most of my Wikimon resources backed up, but it'll still take a while for me to get back up and running. --devkyu 18:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, bad luck, hopefully it won't take that long. Good luck, and see you when your back. --Lightlowemon 02:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Slogan, favicon?
Do you think we should have either of these? --Ainz 01:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? The favicon would be nice. Not sure what to use for a slogan though. "We actually reference our information instead of pulling it out of our asses" sound good? --devkyu 03:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Profiles and Sources not showing up
WarGreymon X-antibody's Profile does not show up on the page. Neither does the source for Panjyamon as an Adult Level nor Otamamon as Baby II.
 * The issue with the sources not appearing has occurred on some other pages as well but I'm not sure what's causing it, as for Wargreymon X-Antibody's profile, its due to the " ", but I can't find an official profile with that content in it, which is why it's hidden; the closest I can find is the one from the Digimon Chronicle 1.0 page. I've tried looking for one in the Pendulum-X gallery but I'm not sure what URL it comes under. --Ainz 21:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. The page for the pendulum itself does not have all the profiles.

Also, for some odd reason, the D-1 Tamer source appears several times on the V-dramon subspecies and Elecmon pages. MugenSeiRyuu
 * I've fixed them. --Ainz 22:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Hmm, just chekd Nefertimon. That she is Armor also does not show up. MugenSeiRyuu
 * Fixed it. --Ainz 09:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thamks. Now I have the same Problem for Magnamon. His Dictionary Profile labels him an Ultimate, but it does not show up.MugenSeiRyuu
 * Fixed. --Ainz 03:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Anode/Cathode Tamer Sprites
So, for SCIENCE, I am forcing myself to play this evil, evil game and I might just waste my time even more and do sprite rips. What I want to know is how I should have these in an image file. Most digimon have a field sprite, attacking sprite, and defending sprite. Some characters that you can talk to on the map (story characters, Digimon around File Island, etc.) have an icon of their face during dialogue. And Variable digimon (whose only appearance are in special techniques) only have a single sprite.

Should the images be in a single file horizontally, or should they be in more of a "box" shape, with two on the top and two on the bottom? I'm asking this mostly because I plan to eventually upload them all here. Also, since I'm ripping from the V-dramon version, any ideas for a name format? anodecathodetamervdramonversion_agumon.png is a bit... excessive. maybe agumon_actamer.png might suffice. --devkyu 06:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

IMO, I think that the images would look better in the shape of a box, but then again we could test both of them out. --Ainz 07:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I also think the box would probably work, and for the naming convention, actv_agumon.png, it's a lot shorter --Lightlowemon 07:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I uploaded a test version. It's missing one sprite, but here's the basic layout so far. In-game, most of the images have a white border around them, but I just deleted it for consistency. --devkyu 08:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I am searching for certain scenes in Digimon (Anime)
Hi,

I hope I'm in the right community. In some anime shows (e.g. Naruto, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc), there are scenes where they fight (Digidestined, "Chosen Kids"), someone have to pee or someone gets hit into the nuts and thats in the form of funny or strange. Such scenes I haven't seen in Digimon (except with Tai and Matt^^).

Is there such scenes in Digimon and have you ever seen such (maybe in an Digimon Movie? If possible with episode number, please)?

Many thanks in advance.

--Dragonlady 17:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh...well the closest I've seen is in Digimon Adventure Episode 46 where Metal Etemon farts in Pinocchimon (Puppetmon)'s face, and Digimon Adventure 02 Episode 22 where Daisuke (Davis) and V-mon (Veemon) accidentally sees a Tortamon (Tortomon) urinating and it gets angry and chases him down. Both of these are cut from the NA dub though.--Daisuke Motomiya 01:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There is also, in Digimon Adventure, when they return from the Digital World, Koromon poops in the back of someone's van. Also, almost any scene with Scumon (Sukamon) or Numemon, fecal matter is guarenteed to be thrown. Also, for groin attacks, the first episode of Digimon Savers where Masaru is fighting Agumon, Masaru gets kicked below the belt. --devkyu 01:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Other then those you were told about here and on With The Will, in the first movie, Digimon Adventure, isn't there numerous poop scenes? --Lightlowemon 06:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your answers :) Yes, such scenes I searched. I did not know whether I'm right here, so I have it still in the With The Will forum written, too.

--Dragonlady 16:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Usergroup color
I've finally managed to find out how to change the colors of particular users, especially to make admins more distinguishable, do you think we should use a different color to purple or remove the italics, etc or any other comments? --Ainz 00:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It scared me at first, I thought I had broken something, I'm fine with it though. I'd be interested to here some of the non-admin views though, anyway you could add a note to the top of the Recent Changes saying that the ones in are admins? --Lightlowemon 07:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's a MediaWiki-something you can alter, but I've completely forgotten what its called. Edit: Found it using the source code from Digimon Wiki. --Ainz 13:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should have a separate color for bureaucrats, or just keep them the same as admins? --Ainz 16:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess we could, but is there any big difference between the two the would regard users? --Lightlowemon 07:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There's not that much of a difference, only that bureaucrats can manage usergroups of existing accounts. I'm thinking now that maybe we should keep both the same color. Also, I was thinking that we could include some kind of "honorable mention" color for key contributive users e.g MugenSeiRyuu, Maxisfreak315, as well as a color for affiliates e.g. Digimon Wiki - i.e KrytenKoro. --Ainz 12:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * For possible colors, I was suggesting:
 * MugenSeiRyuu , Maxisfreak315 
 * KrytenKoro06 


 * --Ainz 14:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Colors
From Digimon Wiki:

I dunno how to contact them, but can you tell them to be careful on how they use colors? With their white text, it makes some stuff unreadable, like the human pages and their help page. Lanate (talk) 02:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Originally the default color for text in tables was black, but this interfered with other things, preventing them from being visible so pawitp fixed this by changing it to white, so that's the reason why they're difficult to read. I'll add the "color:black" to each table style, which is going take some time. --Ainz ( talk 07:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)