Wikimon:Community Portal Archive/3

Evolves From/To Sections on Digimon Pages
I've been thinking about an issue I have with the Evolves From/To sections on Digimon pages. They seem very disorganized and hard to navigate. Sure, all of the previous/next forms are in alphabetical order, but regular Evolutions are mixed in with Armor Evolutions, Warp Evolutions, Spirit Evolutions, Jogress Evolutions, Burst Evolutions, and Xros fusions. While most are marked as such with some text in brackets, I have specific trouble telling apart Jogresses and Xroses at times. The Level of the Digimon that is being evolved to/from is also not indicated, leading to specific trouble when, say, a Baby 1 is evolving directly into an Adult instead of a Baby 2 or Child.

I was thinking, what if we added a color coding system to indicate what type of evolution is taking place and/or the level of the Digimon being evolved into? What are your thoughts? --Part-Time Digimon Fan - Mackinz (talk) 00:19, 31 July 2014 (CDT)


 * It actually already IS noted for special evolutions: V-mon. It is in alphabetical order because there are times when there are different evolution requirements for the same digimon in different media (aka, Slide vs Armor vs Jogress) and it is always noted when it occurs. Level would be ridiculous to implement because some digimon have multiple levels. And really, all you have to do is click the evolution's page to see what it is. We don't control what Bandai decides is an evolution and it is perfectly normal for digimon to skip levels, we just reference the material it comes from. --devkyu (talk) 14:45, 31 July 2014 (CDT)

Recent species articles
Are all those recently created "species" pages, sometimes with just three members (e.g. Taomon-species, Rapidmon-species, Orgemon-species), really necessary? Most importantly, they are not mentioned anywhere (with a few exceptions such as Mamemon-species), so there are not any links to them (besides the ones on this page). For a list of related species, we already have the "Subspecies/Variations" part in the infoboxes. But I don't think we need a species page for every Digimon that has entries there when there is not a single link to it. --Grandy02 (talk) 01:59, 19 July 2014 (CDT)
 * Went through and deleted the non-canonical species pages that I could find. --devkyu (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2014 (CDT)
 * Devimon-species and Garurumon-species also appear under "orphaned pages", what about these? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:33, 24 July 2014 (CDT)

Limit for number of anime screenshots?
Recently a certain user has removed anime screenshots from some Digimon pages, saying that there are too many of them. Most of those "excessive" screenshot galleries with six or more images were added years ago by then admin Daisuke Motomiya as well as a user named Digeli555. Specifically Blitzmon, Fairimon, Shutumon, Ranamon, Susanoomon, Lucemon, Lucemon Falldown Mode, Lucemon: Satan Mode, and Honeybeemon (all from Digimon Frontier). Should the rules include a limit for those screenshots, or the user's edits be reverted instead? --Grandy02 (talk) 11:50, 15 December 2013 (CST)
 * That definitely seems like a good idea. And keep in mind at the time a lot of the screenshots were added, we didn't have an Image Gallery incorporated onto the Digimon's pages. Not to mention some users keep insisting on uploading images that exceed a 1MB in size, which can't be good for the server to load super image heavy pages. At some point I'd like to maybe keep screenshots to the Episode pages, except for ones with particularly sparse Galleries.--devkyu (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2014 (CST)
 * Space is not an issue, but I agree that we don't need redundant images all over. If anything, they could be a separate page like Honeybeemon/Gallery or whatever. --Koroku (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2014 (CST)

Upgrade
For any issues with the upgrade, please list them here or e-mail me at jkaizer@gmail.com --Koroku (talk) 10:47, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 * The background has been changed to (nearly) white in several locations (e.g. header fields in a table (example), marked text in version difference pages (example), and the login page), which renders text unreadable. On many pages, the category "Pages with broken file links" (e.g. Agumon) appears now, probably because of the missing card images. --Grandy02 (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 * The color issues will hopefully be dealt with the new theme, until then we can either manually change them or just deal with it. The problem is that so much on here is coded with specific colors, instead of relying on stylesheets. It'd be a huge pain to ever change from a dark to a light theme... As for the new categories, that's a MediaWiki upgrade "feature" and might actually come to of some use. I can look into how to turn them off if we want tho. --Koroku (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 * Well, the site is actually loading faster than I'm used to. As for the color coding on tables, that blips back to default every time there is an upgrade. Thankfully it's generally an easy fix. It would be nice to be able to alternate themes, but Ainz was the one with the most wiki coding experience (and thus made everything pretty) and I haven't heard from him in a long time. Hope he's okay. --devkyu (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Site theme
Sorry if this is stupid, but is there an option to turn off the animated background on the site theme? Not that I think the background is bad looking or anything, but the background does sometimes make my browser lag like crazy so I was wondering if there is a way to turn it off? --Garmmon 11:46, 23 May 2013 (CDT)
 * It's just an animated gif, so unfortunately not that I know of. If there was an option to have multiple themes, we could always make one with a different BG image optional.--devkyu 15:31, 23 May 2013 (CDT)
 * Certain browsers allow to turn off gif animations or to block specific images (at least Opera can do both things). --Grandy02 08:13, 24 May 2013 (CDT)
 * It's okay, I just figured out how to turn it off using adblock haha. Thanks though :) --Garmmon 10:52, 24 May 2013 (CDT)

Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) we'll have a new theme altogether. --Koroku (talk) 10:47, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Recent card uploads
I can't compare them since the Card Terminal of With the Will is currently offline, but aren't all the recently uploaded Alpha card scans from said site (and would therefore have to be deleted)? --Grandy02 10:09, 7 May 2013 (CDT)
 * The user who uploaded them says that they are taken from digifur.com. But still, I'm 99% sure that all of them are originally from With the Will (at least the previously deleted WtW scans at Wikimon look exactly the same as the current ones). Or have they changed their policy and allow others to use their scans now? --Grandy02 08:18, 8 May 2013 (CDT)
 * I have all of WtW's cards hoarded away, and just compared several of the uploads to them. Of all the ones I checked, they are definitely from WtW, as small scratches and dust spots on the cards match. As far as I know, With the Will's policy of not sharing hasn't changed, even if their Card Terminal seems to still be down. Until With the Will changes their minds, they will have to be deleted.--devkyu 12:22, 8 May 2013 (CDT)
 * And for reference until the Card Terminal is back up, so stolen cards can be identified easier, you can find most of them in this folder. --devkyu 12:36, 8 May 2013 (CDT)
 * Okay, that means that hundreds of images have to be deleted. Could you help with that, please? But in some cases (in particular the cards of Alpha Evolve 8) we have our own scans, so only the recent versions have to be deleted for those. --Grandy02 15:06, 8 May 2013 (CDT)
 * Has anyone thought to ask WtW and see if they have changed their minds? Granted, because of who I am, I doubt it, but hey, they might. --Koroku 18:32, 8 May 2013 (CDT)
 * Anwer is pretty much nope. Also Card Terminal is coming back online in a month or two. Whelp, time to start mass baleeting. --devkyu 14:31, 9 May 2013 (CDT)

Now a lot of WtW scans have been uploaded again. Is Charles.929 one of the original contributers of Card Terminal like Parukeruru-san, or is there need for mass deleting again? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2013 (CDT)

Again, several WtW scans uploaded recently (by user War Grey). Card Terminal is still offline - since one and a half year, I think? Any news? Should the images be deleted just like before? --Grandy02 (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2014 (CDT)

External Images
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedImg This has been installed, for anyone that might be able to get some use out of it. --Koroku 14:27, 27 April 2013 (CDT)

RPG & Masters as references and evos in general
A new user has added a number of evolutions from Digimon RPG & Masters to articles. But before removing (or keeping) those all, I think there needs to be a general consensus on this issue. The games have not only been used as refs for evolutions, but also for other things such as attacks (e.g. Chaos Piemon and Gizmon: XT). I think the there's nothing more than the little hint on the Main Page that tells users not to use the RPG & Masters as refs, it is easy to overlook. It should either be disallowed to use them as refs in general (not just evos) or they should be treated like the other games.

On evolutions, I think those lists need an overhaul. Especially when they are lot of "withs" in the list, they don't look that nice. With a table template, the "withs" could be organized in a second column. --Grandy02 05:12, 10 November 2012 (CST)


 * As someone who's not been on this site for that long, it feels arbitrary to accept some games as sources and not others. As Digimon is a multi-continuity franchise, it's not really a duty for fans to decide which continuities are appropriate and which are not; they all have an equal status of being canon within their own bounds.--B14 07:35, 10 November 2012 (CST)
 * I think they are excluded because they are Korean games not published by Bandai or something. But personally, I have nothing against treating them like the other games, as they are still official Digimon media. Why should their evolutions be less notable than the many evos only relevant for a single card each? --Grandy02 13:36, 12 November 2012 (CST)
 * I don't particularly care either way. For the most part the games just seem to follow the most common evolution lines used by other media in the franchise, minus the odd "burst mode" evolutions. As long as they are properly referenced and used the correct names (Gubamon? fucking seriously), I don't mind it.--devkyu 21:05, 12 November 2012 (CST)
 * So, is this the final decision? Then the hint on the Main Page would have to be removed. --Grandy02 10:23, 16 November 2012 (CST)
 * A bit late to the discussion, but it's something that seems sensible in general: Split the evolution on the pages by the continuity from which they originate. Evolution (and the individual digimon for that matter) seems to work differently from universe to universe, so throwing them all together seems like the wrong move.--Ijffdrie 16:51, 23 January 2013 (CST)

Spambots Again
Even though e-mail confirmation has been introduced, the spambots are now almost as annoying as before. What e-mail addresses are they using? Is it possible to prevent confirmation for certain addresses? --Grandy02 06:18, 27 September 2012 (CDT)


 * That is something pawitp might know.--devkyu 16:15, 28 September 2012 (CDT)
 * I've done about everything that we can do before having to active each account by hand. --Koroku 19:07, 28 September 2012 (CDT)


 * Well, first off, I'd suggest installing AbuseFilter and using the ones on User:Devkyu/AntiSpam, including the one I just added since bots often use [[Image: links (you also need a message like this to explain it to readers).


 * It is also effective to inspect the referrer on accesses to certain pages. I find that sometimes bots are POSTing to the account creation page (look for "type=signup" in URL), or to edit pages or upload files, with a referrer that is just the domain name, / or /wiki/. These will always redirect to an actual page for real users, so these must be constructed requests.


 * Also, your list of DNS blacklists may need updating - here's what WikiFur uses. I suggest pinging from your server to see which are the fastest and arranging the list accordingly.

$wgEnableDnsBlacklist = true; $wgDnsBlacklistUrls = array( 'combined.abuse.ch.', 'xbl.spamhaus.org.', 'dnsbl-3.uceprotect.net.', 'dnsbl-2.uceprotect.net.', 'cbl.abuseat.org.', 'http.dnsbl.sorbs.net.' ); //, 'opm.tornevall.org.' );
 * 1) Use SORBS backlist - ordered by current speed
 * Incidentally, your MediaWiki version appears to be out of date, which is a security risk. (I need to update myself, but I have patched 1.17.5 for now, and the issues in that version were not too serious - but you have 1.17.0 right now.) GreenReaper 18:19, 29 September 2012 (CDT)
 * Okay, until someone manages to update the back end with everything GreenReaper recommended, can we just like... turn off registrations for a bit? Dozens of new spambots per DAY is getting completely ridiculous and we spend more time deleting and ban hammering than we do actually editing anything at this point.--devkyu 10:17, 25 October 2012 (CDT)
 * It's a pain, I know. We're still getting registrations ourselves, although I've managed to tamp down on their number and block their editing. You could add a notice on the front page giving prospective users an email address to contact, while keeping registered users able to register new accounts. If you're logged in, you can then just create another account and give it to them. GreenReaper 21:16, 25 October 2012 (CDT)

Something has to be done about this, I'm tired of opening the "Recent changes" page and seeing a dozen of spam pages (plus images) that have popped up since yesterday. KrytenKoro once suggested the following "Can you put in a requirement that you have the account for X days before inserting external links, or you have to be an admin to insert links without a recaptcha or quiz question?". Is that possible? --Grandy02 10:37, 19 March 2013 (CDT)

I agree. Could we just shut off new user registration until things are fixed up, and just have potential new users have to e-mail someone or require some sort of verification? --Tsum 21:59, 19 March 2013 (CDT)

User registration has been turned off. --Koroku 17:15, 20 March 2013 (CDT)
 * THANK YOU! --devkyu 00:54, 12 April 2013 (CDT)

Character Pages
Okay, it's been a long time coming, but the various human character pages are kind of a huge, inconsistent mess. The current template (if we can even call it that) is rather limiting and doesn't really encompass a lot of information. An idea we had a while back was to make the template similar to the S-template used for digimon profiles (etymology, tabs, etc), but... that's kind of a huge, complicated monster. And Ainz hasn't been on in a while to beg to help out with it, so possibly something a bit simpler.

But before we try and make a better template, we should figure out what should go on the pages, in addition to what the current (inadequate) template currently has. Currently I've added an Image Gallery to Mikagura Mirei's page. The most "complete" page we have is probably similar to Yagami Taichi... although "Profile" seems to make little sense, so perhaps replace it with "Appearances" and move Profile up into a tab with biographical information like with the Digimon template. Anyone have any suggestions or other input? Go nuts!--devkyu 03:38, 19 July 2012 (CDT)
 * I agree, those pages need an overhaul. They should have an Appearances section much like the Digimon pages, so the page gets much clearer and video game appearances can be easily incorporated, too (Daimon Masaru already uses such structure). The Image Gallery would serve exactly the same function as on Digimon pages. --Grandy02 11:13, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

I've created a template that is already used on various pages. While it is not comparable to the Digimon template, it is better than nothing for a start. What do you think? --Grandy02 15:20, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
 * Looking great so far! Definitely an improvement to the table we've been using.--devkyu 16:00, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
 * Thanks! :-) --Grandy02 13:17, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

We should throw in a character design (looks), trivia, and personality sub areas if at all possible. And maybe a collapsible image gallery that is closed by default. Most wikis have stuff like that for characters. --Daisuke Motomiya 13:19, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
 * I like the idea of the collapsible image gallery, but more or less for the Digimon pages too. At least as far as Adventure 02 goes, I have a bunch of the line art books, which I can (eventually) finish scanning in and add to the character pages. And I know we have something akin to trivia and character design for Alice. There is probably quite a bit more info in the Digimon Memorial Chronicle book. I can scan those in once I get it. --devkyu 16:15, 28 September 2012 (CDT)

Main Page Error
When I try to view the Main Page as a guest, I often see just the "This is a cached copy..." placeholder page. This has also occurred in the past, but now it seems to happen almost daily. I have to log in and make an "edit" without any changes to clear the page's cache. Then it's alright, but on the next day, the aforementioned page appears again instead. In the many hours before the clearing of the cache, guests who try to access "wikimon.net" or click on the site's logo merely get to see a placeholder page, which makes a bad impression, I think. --Grandy02 11:39, 5 March 2013 (CST)


 * That is strange. What browser are you using? I tested it on both Chrome and Firefox and haven't seen that particular error pop up. Do you know if anyone else has the same problem? --devkyu 15:05, 6 March 2013 (CST)
 * I get the same problem, on Chrome. In fact, I get it even when I try to see the main page while logged in, not even as a guest. Friends of mine have had the same problem, too. -- Blaze Dragon 15:20, 6 March 2013 (CST)
 * I doubt it is a browser-related issue, but at least today said page doesn't appear. --Grandy02 09:24, 7 March 2013 (CST)
 * Today the error occured again, even though I edited the Main Page earlier this day. I tried different browsers, the result remains the same. --Grandy02 08:10, 8 March 2013 (CST)
 * Only the main page? --Koroku 17:16, 20 March 2013 (CDT)
 * Rarely, a similar page appears elsewhere, but those usually disappear after refreshing a few times. The reason for the page is stated to be "max_active_user_connections" or something. In case of the placeholder page for the Main Page, one can refresh a dozen times and nothing changes at all, and the error is simply named "unknown error(localhost)". --Grandy02 12:02, 22 March 2013 (CDT)
 * I'll let pawitp know. --Koroku 20:44, 22 March 2013 (CDT)
 * "Can I get a screenshot next time this happens?" - pawitp
 * He's made a few small changes. Let us know if it happens again. --Koroku 11:00, 24 March 2013 (CDT)

"I've increased the maximum number of database connection to see if it'll help or not.

The real problem at hand, though, is that mediawiki is caching these error pages. The next time this happen, can the error page be saved (in .html) and sent to me so that I can figure out how to prevent mediawiki from caching it?" - pawitp
 * Thanks to Grandy02 for sending me the HTML file. Pawit thinks that we should have the solution taken care of. If you see it again, please do the same procedure. :) --Koroku (talk) 10:47, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Reopening Registration
Since we closed registration, the wiki has been updated multiple times, and we've hired a few new staff members. Would people be opposed to me reopening registration, even if it means a few spam bots? I'm hoping that there are enough protections built in now against them. --Koroku (talk) 12:16, 27 September 2013 (CDT)
 * If the proper updates are in place, it should be fine to open it, at least for a little while. If we start getting 50+ bots a day again, then we can always just close it back up.--devkyu (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2013 (CDT)

So much for that. 36 hours and at least 10 spam bots. --Koroku (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2013 (CDT)

Locations Pages
Since Fusion is airing, I figured I would go through and clean up the location pages. I made a new locations template (Template:Area) that should help unclutter them quite a bit. I will also be going through and getting some proper screenshots for each page. If there is anything anyone can think of to change or add to how we do locations pages, be sure to tell me so I can work it in. --devkyu (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2013 (CDT)

Affiliates
Hi, I come from Starfy Wiki. I noticed that Starfy Wiki and Lylat Wiki have been removed from the affiliates? Why is this? I'm confused as Starfy Wiki still has you listed as affiliates, and Lylat Wiki have you on their affiliates page too. Torchickens (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2013 (CDT)

V-mon's Card from Digimon World X
Blackikun from the German website Digimons World ( I'm a forum member and News Hunter there ) asked me if we want a scan of the V-mon card that came with Digimon World X. He could provide us with one. --MugenSeiRyuu (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2013 (CDT)
 * That would be awesome! :3 --devkyu (talk) 02:39, 8 September 2013 (CDT)