User talk:Muur

=Sistermon Ciel= Why did you delete her profile and her appearance on Pendulum? It will be officialized but the profile still official and her appearance on the pendulum was confirmed yesterday. --Magna (talk) 21:55, July 12, 2018 (CDT)
 * I didn't.Muur (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2018 (CDT)
 * The edition appears in your name.--Magna(talk)
 * https://wikimon.net/index.php?title=Sistermon_Ciel&type=revision&diff=317185&oldid=317155 This is the edit I made. It seems it glitched or something and reverted to an old edit (when I was removing that information), I didn't do it on purpose. I merely removed the "only in US/SEA" and deleted the Unreleased tag. I have gone back and fixed it. No clue wtf happened. So yeah, I didn't do it on purpose at all.Muur (talk) 20:10, 12 July 2018 (CDT)
 * Until we don't have her sprite or an official Artwork, she still in "Unreleased Digimon" list. See the history, copy the Hacker's Memory profile and put in the page again, if you can, please. --Magna (talk)
 * Lmao wtf, everytime I hit edit it reverts back to the old page (so the first time I edited it months ago) and it seems there's nothing I can do about it. It states "your edit is awaiting review" so I assume that no matter what happens on here, I would need to wait for my months old edit to be "approved" to be allowed to edit the page past what was shown months ago. So basically, I can't edit her page with the information without having to restore her entire profile every time. So in other words, someone else will have to add the Unreleased Digimon to it. If I did edit it, it would just revert the page to a year ago, that's really annoying. Maybe you can get an edit to fix my problem? because that's kinda dumb. She has an artwork though... in the model from the game, unless I suppose that doesn't count as it's not from the Japanese version.Muur (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2018 (CDT)
 * The page is normal here

I meant on the Ciel page.Muur (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2018 (CDT)

=Bolded Evolutions= I notice you've been bolding evolutions based on the Digimon that characters use in Hacker's Memory. Are those evolutions actually shown or discussed? If they're only inferred based on the non-story related evolution mechanics, I don't think that they should be cited as official. --TMS (talk) 22:03, August 26, 2018 (EST)
 * They technically aren't shown - however during the course of the game, the Digimon are replaced with those ones (one by one) and so is clearly evolution. All of them are possible evolution in game, too. This might help (and the same source as for Chitose/Ryujis evolutions, as they happen the exact same way)-

Dominion Battles
 * Ryuji Mishima
 * Team 1: Dorumon, Coredramon (Green), and Cyberdramon
 * Team 2: Dorugamon, Coredreamon (Green), and Cyberdramon
 * Team 3: DoruGreymon, Groundramon, and Justimon
 * Chitose Imai
 * Team 1: Syakomon, Unimon, and Ankylomon
 * Team 2: Seadramon, Unimon, and Ankylomon
 * Team 3: Whamon, Hippogriffomon, and Shakkoumon
 * Yu Nogi
 * Team 1: Gazimon, Wizardmon, and Gekomon
 * Team 2: BlackGarurumon, Wizardmon, and Whamon
 * Team 3: Pandamon, Phantomon, and MarineAngemon
 * Yuuko Kamishiro
 * Team 1: GeoGreymon, Lilamon, and ShadowWereGarurumon
 * Team 2: RizeGreymon, Lilamon, and ShadowWereGarurumon
 * Team 3: Samudramon, Rosemon, and BanchoLeomon
 * Matayoshi
 * Team 1: Birdramon, Tankmon and Starmon
 * Team 2: Garudamon, Knightmon and SuperStarmon
 * Makiko Date
 * Team 1: Lopmon, Lunamon, and Terriermon
 * Team 2: Antylamon (Good), Crescemon, and Rapidmon
 * Arata Sanada
 * Team 1: Infermon, Kuwagamon, and Reppamon
 * Team 2: Diaboromon, Okuwamon, and Chirinmon
 * Nokia Shiramine
 * Team 1: Agumon and Gabumon
 * Team 2: WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon
 * Team 3: Omnimon

Those are the teams each have during the course of the game, and its clear who digivolved into who, especially since I always doubled checked if the evolutions were possible in game and like I said, it's the exact same for the teams of Ryuji and Chitose (which were already sourced on here). They digivolve off screen, replacing existing party members. They also aren't based on player choice or anything, they digivolve off screen based on chapter and most dont get their final team till post game (and also use their final team in the Master Cup). Each being replaced pretty much one by one, with all of them being possible evolution as well, is a little too coincidental to not count. I also wouldn't count it as 'non story', as these will happen no matter what you do. Muur (talk) 21:45, 26 August 2018 (CDT)


 * While it's strong circumstantial evidence, I think it would be better if the potential evolutions were noted under the Hacker's Memory section as speculation. --TMS (talk) 23:48, August 26, 2018

Bolded evolutions2
Preemptive. I removed them because they were not bolded according to the rules. they are not storyline evolutions, or mentioned in profiles. more will be removed later. I had permission from TMS.Muur (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2019 (CDT)

= Jesmon X's attribute =

Jesmon X's profile was updated. It's now listed as Data not Vaccine--Convergencia Digital (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2019 (CST)
 * I would then change it to say "old profile" perhaps. It was still canonically Vaccine at one point. Kinda like when they changed Saint Galgomon's name from Saint Gargomon in the DRB.Muur (talk) 21:46, 1 December 2019 (CST)
 * I don't see the point on doing that. Yes it was canonical at one point, but it was changed for a reason (most likely because it was an error), and because of that, now there is absolutly no place where you can see Jesmon X as a Vaccine digimon. You can't even put a source to it because it was deliberately changed by Bandai. At most I would accept it if you put that information in a separated note that specifies that Jesmon was labeled as a Vaccine Digimon at one point but that it was completely changed afterward, but not in the main article, since it's no longer canon.--Convergencia Digital (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2019 (CST)

= Ginryumon evolves from zubamon in battle spirits? =

Why did you add that if Ginryumon isn't even in that game? Shouldn't you just add those digimon that are actually in the game who evolve from zubamon just like we do for every other evolution shown in card games?--Convergencia Digital (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2020 (CST)
 * My bad, it seems I accidentally opened Ginryumon's page alongside all the other champion digimon in battle spirits. good spot, that was an accident Muur (talk) 19:54, 25 January 2020 (CST)

= About,how to edit Digimons'page = I'm sorry I keep making mistakes on the Flare Lizamon's page, teacher Muur, please teach me,I did not do it on purpose
 * for reference book stuff you do it like this . the main thing that is being removed is that youre bolding stuff you shouldnt. just because wargrowlmon -> gallantmon is canon for example, doesnt mean the same thing for the recolours of the digimon.Muur (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2020 (CDT)

OK, because I see Dark lrazmon's page is about evolution from Flare Lizamon,so I wondered Flare Lizamon's page should also be written to evolve into Dark Lizamon and write on to the Flare Lizamon's page. Donkey22800
 * that was an error someone else made based on reading the profile.Muur (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2020 (CDT)

Hi, What is Template:FM meaning? --Dharakjoo (talk) 03:04, 24 September 2020 (CDT)
 * no idea. That's new to me too.Muur (talk) 07:14, 24 September 2020 (CDT)
 * It's used to highlight Modes or other formally-named forms in a profile, similar to the ATK and EQ templates.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2020 (CDT)

= New Century: Lucemon and Beelzebumon = | Here is the dialogue where Ippei says he's partnered with a Lucemon. Beelzebumon is proven by the opening prologue that's on the Drive folder I sent you. ShikaSS (talk) 19:31, 27 October 2020 (CDT)
 * Also, on the same opening prologue Paildramon is shown to be the partner Digimon of a child who looks like a young Minister Sakamoto. I can't get a trustworthy translation for his first name though, which is 彻也. ShikaSS (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2020 (CDT)
 * "Although I became a partner, I still don't understand Lucemon's ideas." I guess the implication is strong. Does the Lucemon actually show up? also interesting that his Chinese dub name is "Brightmon". As for Beelzemon, I did see the opening tho it didn't seem clear to me as to who had Paildrmaon and who had Beelzemon since both were in the protags party or whatever the hell was going on. Maybe the text itself is more clear. I dont think "the kid kinda looks like that guy" would be enough tho, I'd try to get actual confirmation on if he ever says what his first name is.Muur (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2020 (CDT)
 * 彻也 is Tetsuya. As for the tutorial, yeah that kid is the same guy like 10 years earlier. I wonder if he doesnt have beelzemon any more. as for Tetsuya, based on the eyebrow and eyes, its him. so hes tetsuya sakamoto.Muur (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2020 (CDT)
 * Yeah, the partner relation could be clearer, but I think Beelzebumon addressing Shingo directly is a strong indication. I wonder what happened to them too. His NPC line does not mention Beelzebumon. Regarding Ippei's partner, he has not appeared yet. The horned NPC from the Entertainment Company mentions a Lucemon is starring in an upcoming movie "Space Break", but it could be a different Lucemon. Aside from that, I don't know if there's anything to support this because I haven't translated the rest of the story yet, but Ippei and Satoru share surnames with Sumire and the Minister (now Tetsuya), respectively, so they might be related. ShikaSS (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2020 (CDT)
 * the opening of the game has a lucemon falldown mode in it just after it shows Quartzmon, so now im curious if his partner is actually lucemon FM rather than base lucemon. he only says "lucemon", tho. I mean its probably base lucemon tricking some kid to get power or something. anyway we should wait on confirmation if any of the characters are related. they probably are, but we can't assume. as for where they are now 10+ years later - who knows. maybe theyre dead. also curious as to why there was a magnaangemon, sakuyamon, and metalgarurmon in the party. maybe theyre partner to some of the adults too when they were kids.Muur (talk) 23:01, 27 October 2020 (CDT)

=Ultimate 4= Is there any particular reason why you removed the Ultimate 4 from Appmon of the groups page? Please don't do it again. Appmon are Digimon whether you like it or not.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * Discord still exists. and no theyre not, thats why we dont have appmon in the list of digimon. put them onto their own Appmon groups page.Muur (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * Yes, they are in words of the own staff from the Appmon series. Your misconceptions don't make something canon.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * then maybe we should merged the appmon and digimon lists.Muur (talk) 19:22, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * Actually, there's not a reason why they shouldn't. But there's also a different one for the Digital Lifeforms, which are a very special kind of Digimon just like Appmon, so I'm not sure what to think personally. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * Digital Lifeforms are explicitly not Digimon, I thought (ex. DigiGnomes). For the Appmon being a type of Digimon, what's the source on that? Should they be treated similar to X Digimon, then?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 20:46, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * Crunchyroll's page for Appmon describes them as "The Appmon are AI lifeforms with the ability to think and act, and exist in the boundary between the human world and the digital world.". its interesting they mention digital world. so we have the human world, then the appmon world, then the digimon world. so if you were to like hack through dimensions or something, you actually have to get through the appmon world before you can get to the digital world. digimon.net meanwhile says digimon are "digital life forms". so appmon are artificial life forms, like a robot. digimon are computer programs. so appmon are similar to yggrasil or NEO. (Also, appmon dont have digicores, it literally says in digimon lore you need a digicore to be a digimon)Muur (talk) 20:58, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * "Series Director, Koga Gou: To the children living in the "now," I want to convey an exciting adventure story of a new "current" Digimon = Appmon. Please look forward to it!"


 * Source


 * Appmon live in the Surface Net area while regular Digimon come from deeper layers (Digital World). That's the main difference between a Digimon and an Appmon.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2020 (CST)
 * I am not taking a stance on this, but そんな“イマ”を生きる子供たちに“イマ”ならではの新しい“デジモン＝アプモン”達のワクワクする冒険物語を伝えていけたらいいなと思っています. is not in the context of saying they are the same kind of 'lifeform', only that he wants 'Appmon' to be like the 'Digimon' to this era of kids. --Garmmon (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2020 (CST)
 * I thought that was mistranslated. The way it was worded didn't really seem like something someone would actually say. Your translation makes a lot more sense. Muur (talk) 03:22, 19 December 2020 (CST)
 * That translation makes a lot of sense actually. My point is that despite Appmon being a special category of Digimon, they should be also integrated enough also considering not even Bandai makes that much of a difference: https://www.twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1336655292038189056. I personally think there's no need to have a solo page to add only two groups. The most clever way to go in my opinion would be same as in the Goggles page.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 04:36, 19 December 2020 (CST)
 * no it doesnt, that was a machine translation. As for twitter, yes they do: whenever they tweet about appmon they have #appmon, and whenever they tweet about digimon they have #digimon. https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1086097310696693760 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1201699097247285248 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1219096435813019648 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1210033128732913664https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1098425490887458817 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1260412288416264199 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1264785107686010880 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1222359850203504641 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1206401261026693120 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1128866735069646848 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1130745468919603200 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1227417062055673858 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1268012756034154496 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1217998131641503744 https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1202414935151480833 Muur (talk) 08:40, 19 December 2020 (CST)
 * Calm down I was talking about the translation provided by Garmmon. The #Appmon thing from twitter doesn't prove anything. If they tweeted about NEO or any Digital Lifeform they wouldn't probably include the #Digimon hashtag in the same sense either. The only difference between a Digimon and an Appmon is the same difference between an App in your mobile and a program in your laptop, but they are Digital monsters for what it matters. Otherwise 'Digimon Universe' wouldn't be a thing.--Shadow Shinji (talk) 10:53, 19 December 2020 (CST)

= Super Ultimate = Unless you are planning to add the Super Ultimate level to each Digimon character page, please avoid using it in for the sake of consistency. First of all, Super Ultimate is not really a Level, but more a way to call the strongest Ultimates in certain continuities. Secondly, not everyone that checks out Wikimon is familiar with the deep lore of Digimon like you and I, so maybe some people will find confusing that eg. Omegamon is treated as Super Ultimates in certain character pages, while an Ultimate in certain others. --Shadow Shinji (talk) 06:40, 20 January 2021 (CST)

= machine translations =

No, because 90% of it tends to be the exact same as the translations that other people do. HenryWong122 (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2021 (CDT)
 * Don't post machine translations. They need to be proper translations or we can't use them. If I see you doing it again, you'll be suspended. --TMS (talk) 03:11, 9 April 2021 (EST)

= Hermit in the Jungle =

I'm 99.99% sure that the two new Digimon in Hermit in the Jungle are both Vaccine attribute, as Lilimon & Blossomon are Data and Toropiamon & Archnemon are Virus Digimon. Plus, they are right above Snimon and Jewelbeemon (Beside for the Perfect) which are both Vaccine attribute.
 * maybe. seems kinda random to say that here tho. data would be waste, vaccine would be nice. the implication then would be theyre made for snimon.Muur (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2021 (CDT)

Rosemon and the Crest of Light
Why do people think that the Tiferet has the Crest of Light on it when it should be obvious they are not the same design?

=Rude?=

It just occurred to me that I might have came off as rude in my response in the Card Colors edit. I just want to apologize and say I didn't mean to be. I wasn't trying to be rude or snarky, just asking a legitimate question, since I'm new here. I could be wrong, I was just pointing out that if I was, there were other edits that needed to be done. And, I don't want to vandalize a page by removing a bunch of Digimon by mistake. Speaking of being new here, I hope I did this right. I have never used a talk page before. KiraraKidohara
 * you were fine. honestly, that list is technically for me/others to know which digimon we need to add separately. EG, since paildramon is a green card that lets you target blue we need to list paildramon separately on blue lv4 digimon pages, which is why that list exists. I realised that since some cards have an effect to count them as two colours at once we dont actually need to include them in that section. saves me some work at least, hoepfully all cards like that going forward work that way cuz itll save me the effort lolMuur (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2021 (CDT)
 * wait I didnt realise silphymon had an effect that "treats it as yellow as well". what is the full list of cards that do this? because any card that does that I can remove and put silphymon into the list of yellow yellow digimon (same for the others)Muur (talk) 12:16, 30 August 2021 (CDT)
 * Off the top of my head: Silphymon, Shakkoumon, Rebellimon, and the BT6 Megadramon and Gigadramon cards. For the record, I really like this change as a user! It makes the list easier to use! Thanks! :D I was just afraid to make the change myself since I didn't want to mess anything up.
 * I didnt realise the "treat as this colour" thing happened before BT-7. yes, this will save me some time. ill deal with this myself later todayMuur (talk) 12:24, 30 August 2021 (CDT)

Happy I could help! :) I just checked, and BT4-017 RizeGreymon also has this effect. KiraraKidohara
 * Sorry I keep making you fix up my edits! I was just copying how it was done on the Sistermon Noir and Eosmon (Adult) pages, since they were the only other 2 White Lv.4s I could check for reference. KiraraKidohara
 * dont even know how I forgot to do sistermon noir awakened. anyway the reason I changed that is, altho right now its the only lv5 white digimon theyll prob release more of them soon enough so it saves correcting it later. if they go like 8 years without ever doing a white lv5 other than eosmon then i guess we can change it lol but for now i think listing eosmon ultimate on her own is good for now.Muur (talk) 22:09, 1 September 2021 (CDT)
 * That makes perfect sense. Thanks! :) KiraraKidohara
 * BT7-110, Evolution Ancient allows any Lv.4 Digimon to evolve into a Warrior Ten of the same color. I don't see any reason why Option card-induced evolution would be exempt from pages, but I thought I should ask first before making such a big edit just to be safe, that way I don't accidentally give you another big mess to clean up. KiraraKidohara
 * damn yeah that'd count. Guess every lv4 will need editing. Also for revolmon I'd put any three musketeers from the DCG to turn three lines into one (also needs warp evolution you can find what to copy from lopmons page. The lv4 guys would need with ancient evolution wisemon page has that Muur (talk) 05:21, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * I thought that too, but I wasn't sure if I would need to add a Three Musketeers group to the Card Color page, or link to the Three Musketeers section, or what. Honestly, when I had the idea about the Evolution Ancient card, I thought it just worked on Hybrid Levels, until I reread the card... ^^" I can't do them all at once, but I'll do a color at a time. I already did the Warrior Ten themselves and Red, Blue, and Yellow. KiraraKidohara (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * Yeah it can be quite time consuming. in regards to your edit on bulkmon yes the jogresses should be listed just no one has done it. at some point I plan to make a page liek the card game one and list the digimon by level/attribute so we can have an exact list of who can jogress to each digimon so its even more clear and the jogresses compenents can jave their pages updated too.Muur (talk) 16:16, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * I'll continue working on the Ancient Evolutions today, and I'll get around to the Jogresses once I finish. I'll probably finish the Ancient Evolutions later today or tomorrow, but since the Jogresses are less copy/pasting, that may take longer to finish. I'll probably do 1 DiM at a time, maybe 1-2 DiMs a day, depending on how hard/time consuming it is. That is a good idea about making a page like that! I've never made a page before, but it looks simple enough. Want me to make that page before I start the Jogresses? It seems easier to have it set up from the beginning, instead of having to retroactively edit dozens of pages. KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * it would indeed tbe better to have a page set up. tbh the old vpets could do with one too, im not really happy with the whole "certain digimon from insert vpets here". *what* digimon?Muur (talk) 22:17, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * I'll set up a page for the Vital Bracelet Digimon after I finish the Ancient Evolutions, then. I do agree with the old v-pets idea, too. But, honestly, when I made my account, I only planned on doing small edits as I encountered them, but then I saw several bigger things I wanted to fix and thought I could, over time. Right now, I'm not comfortable taking on more than the Ancient Evolutions and Vital Bracelet Jogresses (plus going over the cards to see who doesn't have multi-color evolutions on their page yet), but I may change my opinion once I get finished with those. But, for the time being, I don't feel comfortable saying I can do more than that. I also planned to go over some cards from the older card games. I've noticed a few Digimon don't have some of their evolutions from those card games listed due to some Digimon sharing names. Once I finish some of my to do list, I will re-evaluate what more I feel comfortable adding to it. KiraraKidohara (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * yeah that old trading card thign has been a problem for decades. as for the missing special evos i outright forgot to do the ones for bt-6 and never got round to doing the two most recent starter decks.Muur (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2021 (CDT)
 * Thanks for letting me know! I'll check BT06 and the new Starter Decks once I finish the Ancient Evolutions. KiraraKidohara (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2021 (CDT)
 * Progress Report: I've finished the Ancient Evolutions and the Starter Deck cards, plus I made a page for Vital Bracelet Attributes and Levels. But, honestly, I am getting a bit overwhelmed. For the time being, I am going to focus on adding Jogresses to the Vital Bracelet Digimon, and after that I think I may do the same for Pendulum Z. But, I don't have the confidence to do the older v-pets, I worry I may make some mistake due to my lack of knowledge. Also, as for BT06, I gave it a look, and I don't think I can commit to it at this time. It's an intimidating task to say the least. Over time I may do them one at a time as I encounter them, but I don't think I will get to it anytime soon. I thought I should let you know since I already told you I would do it. Sorry for backing out after agreeing to it.. And, thank you for all your help and advice! KiraraKidohara (talk) 02:28, 5 September 2021 (CDT)
 * "I am getting a bit overwhelmed." welcome to my life. I edit on more than just here, editing sure is a time consuming life sucking task.Muur (talk) 11:55, 5 September 2021 (CDT)
 * I'm seeing that, now. I keep seeing 1 more thing I want to do. I just noticed only a couple of the Xros Loader toy's Xrosses were on Digimon's pages, next think I know, I've added them all, even though I didn't plan to, and hours of my day is missing. Sorry again for dropping the ball on BT06. I just don't have the time or energy to keep up this pace. I never intended to do more than a few small edits a day as I noticed them, so I want to slow down so I don't burn myself out. Just doing what I've already done makes me even more appreciative of editors like you who do so much! Hopefully I've helped a bit. I'll keep up work on the Vital Bracelet and Pendulum Z Jogresses, and smaller edits here and there, just at a less frantic pace. KiraraKidohara (talk) 12:16, 5 September 2021 (CDT)
 * I was actually aware that the xros loader evolutions werent listed and planned to add them one day... but would I have ever got round to it lolMuur (talk) 12:18, 5 September 2021 (CDT)
 * lol Glad I could help! KiraraKidohara (talk) 12:49, 5 September 2021 (CDT)