Talk:Negamon

Neger
I mean it probably *is* Negermon. here is the japanese wikipedia page for the aircraft and Negamon *does* look like it could be based on this and if negermon *is* an aircraft that even makes sense since the eyeball monster is probably hiding inside it. it just also happens the term is also a slur (many years after the aircraft was used) which would be unfortunate naming choice which would also be censored in english I assume. the aircraft and the digimon both use ネガー. nega is just ネガ on its own like eggman nega (ドクター・エッグマン・ネガ).Muur (talk) 11:37, 19 August 2021 (CDT)

Kuzuru
pretty sure this is kuzuru with negamon in vjump just referring to the eyeball and having the whale unlabelled. we'll see I guess, but we know three forms (eyeball, whale, and tenatcle monster), and have three names. (negamon, kuzurumon, and abadonmon)Muur (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2021 (CDT)
 * The close-proximity of the big bolded name with the "whale" suggests that the name applies to it. Otherwise, it would be a very misleading magazine layout. In contrast to the third form, the first two forms also share some specific key similarities (the blue skin or the red-LED "suction cups") that I can see them being mode-changes, or same-name evolutions at least. Most importantly, the episode TV summaries only mention Abaddomon in the 67th episode, not the upcoming 66th episode.--YongYoKyo (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * Not necessarily if we are to assume that the magazine was referring to Negamon as a character as opposed to the whale as a species to avoid spoiling all forms.


 * Bare in mind that the whale did not in this episode at all but is confirmed to appear in the next one; pretty much all but confirming that the whale is in fact meant to be Kuzurumon while the sphere is shown to have a humanoid figure inside it, a characteristic that is ascribed to specifically Abaddomon.


 * As for why Abaddomon is appearing in 66, remember that we've had villain Digimon Digivolve at the very end of episodes before so this is likely yet another example. Chimera-gui (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * It's not necessarily a confirmation if they don't consider the second form to be an "evolution" in the first place, as they did with Eyesmon.
 * I also considered that last possibility, but that would mean they showed the ending climax of the episode in the middle of the teaser. Assuming the teaser is in chronological order (though it doesn't have to be), the teaser would be mostly the end of the episode, which doesn't make much sense.--YongYoKyo (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * It also doesn't make much sense for Negamon to have both an extra form before Kazurumon and a mystery form after the sphere to represent Abaddomon when, based on the Digivice v-pet, the sphere is itself supposed to be the final boss meaning the sphere can only logically be Abaddomon and thus what we're assuming to be an extra form of Negamon must logically be in fact Kazurumon. Chimera-gui (talk) 04:15, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * An extra form makes sense if the initial form is a non-combat role. Otherwise, the big bad wouldn't even have a single fight-scene under its original name. We already know for a fact that the Digivice: is not all-encompassing. The first form is absent, and the humanoid Core (which is evidently the true finale form) is also absent. Logically, with two precedent cases, a third case wouldn't be unusual. It could be that Bandai simply didn't want to spoil the finale, as evident from how they hid their names with ??? in the Digivice:.--YongYoKyo (talk) 04:25, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * You do realize that the initial form is a literal Baby, right? Of course its role is going to be non-combat. Also, the Digivice has been right about every major enemy (Algomon, Eyesmon, Devimon, DarkKnightmon and Millenniummon) and most of the minor ones, why would it be wrong about the final boss?


 * I'd also be very careful about taking the descriptions we have as gospel since not only have we already gotten contradictions (65 described there being two Algomon Ultimate, not a single one and Omegamon appears in 66 despite only being mentioned in 67) but only Kuzurumon is stated to explicitly appear in the episode its name is mentioned in the description of whereas the description of 67 only says that Abaddomon and Omegamon will have a major role it, not that it's going to be their actual debut (and obviously can't be for the latter). Chimera-gui (talk) 05:37, 12 September 2021 (CDT)


 * Exactly my point, if the initial form is non-combat, then an extra combat form makes sense. It wouldn't make sense to build up Negamon's name, only to not actually fight it under that name even for a short while. I'm also not saying the Digivice: is lying; I'm saying that they excluded the very finale, which is already true if you consider the Core form. Another precedent is that the original 1999 Digivice only went up to Piemon, not Apocalymon.
 * I'm not solely relying on the description alone. It's the combination of all of the aforementioned factors, not a single isolated factor. The teaser implies that third form occurs relatively early in the episode. The description says that the Kuzurumon evolution occurs early in the episode. The magazine implies that the second form is referred to as Negamon.--YongYoKyo (talk) 10:51, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * only 67 mentions omegamon and yet we know hes in episode 66. what makes it so that abadomon isnt in episode 66 too?Muur (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * There is one major distinction you're ignoring. Omegamon isn't debuting in neither 66 nor 67. He debuted over 60 episodes ago, and this also isn't even his second appearance but like his fourth. There's no reason to make his evolution a big deal anymore.--YongYoKyo (talk) 15:14, 12 September 2021 (CDT)
 * It wouldn't make sense to build up Negamon's name, only to not actually fight it under that name even for a short while Hello, my name is Bagramon. I'm just gonna sit on my ass for nearly all of Xros Wars before I get absorbed by my baby brother so I can overwhelm him from within, oh I'm supposed to fight the protagonists? Good thing I have can use the fused body of my brother and I to fight them and then become a good guy giving my right arm to another protagonist to fight the thing born from my plan to remake reality.


 * I'd also note the franchise has been moving away for the giant flea from nowhere final boss since 02 since both Lucemon and Yggdrasil were name dropped early in their series despite not being the immediate threat at the time of being name dropped. You also seem to be ignoring that 65 claiming that two Algomon Ultimate were supposed to appear when in the actual episode, Algomon was present as a single being. Chimera-gui (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2021 (CDT)