User talk:Convergencia Digital

Crack Team
Hello mate. Do you have any source where Andromon, Boltmon, MetalMamemon, MetalGreymon (Virus), MetalGreymon, Gigadramon and HiAndromon are stated to be part of the Crack Team? --Shadow Shinji (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2017 (CDT)


 * Hi, yes I do, but before I show them to you I would like to tell you that my english is not perfect and that I don't really know if I'm using this "chat" in the right way xD

No hay problema. También hablo español si lo prefieres :) --Shadow Shinji (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2017 (CDT)


 * No me jodas, llevo todo este rato tratando de redactar en ingles la super explicación de todo esto y ahora me dices que hablas español ajajjajajajajjajajaj bueno... la verdad ya me da pereza volver a escribirlo todo así que te dejo mi spanglish acá para que lo descifres. En resumen mis fuentes son los diversos perfiles oficiales de esos digimon sacados de diversos productos (esencialmente los perfiles de los v-pets y del reference book), pero en el caso que te interese, me dedico en mi tiempo libre a hacer vídeos en youtube sobre digimon, y este tema en específico lo toqué hace un tiempo y por eso quise añadir lo que descubrí a esta wiki, así que te dejo a ti la opción de ver mi vídeo donde lo explico rápido o leer mi super spanglish:
 * -video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6B5JuYsz6Q&t=4s (las fuentes están todas en la descripción)
 * -explicación op: (My english is not perfect) Hi, I don't really know how this chat works, I already replied to you in the "talk" section (I think xD), but in any case, I'll do it again here. Yes I do have the sources that say that those Digimon belong to the Crack Team. It's a bit long and complicated but I'll try to explain my self xD


 * First of all, in the Digital Monster profile of Andromon, it is stated that it was the prototype of all machine digimon, and that it was made in the File Island (because the storyline for the Digital Monster takes place in the File Island), after that, it says that MetalGreymon and MetalMamemon were created by using the prototype Andromon as a model, this MetalGreymon has to be de Virus one because that is the one that belongs to the file island, and in it's profile it is also stated that it was created by mechanizing a Greymon. In Boltmon's Digital Monster's prifle it says that it was created alongside file island's Andromon. So far, Andromon, Boltmon, MetalGreymon Virus and MetalMamemon are stated to be made by the same person.
 * After this, the newest Andromon Profile, the one from the Reference Book, states that this new Andromon is from Folder Continent, and that it's new technology was appropiated by the Vaccine MetalGreymon (the one that it's profile says that it is from the Folder Continent and a rework of the MetalGreymon experiment) and Megadramon (the first digimon stated to have been made by the crack team, so all of the experimental digimon that came before Megadramon were also made by the same persone, the leader of the Crack Team, or the group of hackers that works with him). Even more evidence is the fact that MetalTyranomon's attack is called the Giga Destroyer II, as if it was created after MetalGreymon by the same people. And even MORE evidence of this, is the fact that in Mugendramon's profile it is stated that all of the previous machine digimon were built by the Crack Team no creat it (So, Andromon (File), Boltmon, Metalgreymon (Virus), MetalMamemon, Megadramon, Metalgreymon (vaccine) and Andromon (Folder) are all previous creations of the crack team in order to creat Mugendramon).
 * Hi Andromon's profile states that it is "An Ultimate Cyborg Digimon that was perfected by improving the incomplete Andromon.", so the same people that made Andromon, made Hi Andromon as well (the Crack Team).
 * MetalGreymon X's profile states that it was "improved even more" with the adition of it's new Trident Arm 9.9, and even MetalTyranomon X's profile makes a reference to this by stating that it's arm is only a Trydent Arm ver.7.0, but that it's performance matches that of MetalGreymon X's.
 * So all of my sources are the oficial profiles of all of this digimon from multiple products that you can check in this website.


 * Sigues ahí? no hay problema con mis ediciones?

Sí disculpa, estaba tratando de contrastar opiniones con otros editores. Ciertamente, tus argumentos tienen muchísimo sentido, y efectivamente existe un hilo conductor para determinar que el "grupo" u "organización" que creó a estos Digimon es el mismo, en este caso, los agentes del Crack Team. Los dos únicos puntos problemáticos que veo aquí son dos: 1) Los perfiles no lo mencionan directamente, aunque como tú bien dices, lo hacen de forma indirecta. Ej. Perfil de Gigadramon: "Un Digimon dragón oscuro que fue creado al mismo tiempo que Megadramon". Sabemos a ciencia cierta que Megadramon fue configurado por el Crack Team, así que realmente no quedan demasiadas dudas al respecto. 2) Las colecciones de cartas de algunos juegos como Digimon World Re:Digitize Decode o Digimon World: Next Order, en las que se suelen clasificar a los Digimon por grupos (Caballeros Reales, Siete Grandes Señores Demonio, Doce Olímpicos...). El problema aquí es que estos Digimon no son catalogados como miembros integrantes del Crack Team como sí son los otros que ya conocemos (Chaosdramon, Giga Seadramon, Mugendramon, etc.). No obstante, esto se puede deber a que, en algunos casos, podrían considerarse "antiguos miembros" o miembros que ya no tienen uso en el tiempo presente. Ej. como bien has apuntado con anterioridad, Andromon (File), Boltmon, Metal Greymon (Virus), Metal Mamemon, Megadramon, Metal Greymon (Vacuna) y Andromon (Folder) son creaciones previas para crear a Mugendramon.

Voy a tratar de recabar también otras opiniones para ver cómo gestionamos este tema entre todos, aunque mi opinión personal es que sí pueden ser considerados miembros por todos los argumentos que has enumerado. De cualquier manera, muchas gracias por el aporte. Si sabes de más información oscura o menos conocida como ésta, no dudes en añadirlo a la wiki. Por cierto, cuando publiques un mensaje, no olvides apretar el botón de "Signature and timestamp", para que aparezca tu firma y la fecha en la que lo escribiste. ¡Un saludo compañero! :) --Shadow Shinji (talk) 07:22, 26 July 2017 (CDT)


 * Hola de nuevo, la verdad estoy de acuerdo con lo que mencionas en tu segundo punto, quizás estos digimon son simples creaciones del Crack Team, mas no miembros como tal de la organización, eso explicaría por qué no aparecen en las colecciones del Crack Team de los juegos que mencionaste. En ese caso me imagino que se podría dividir la lista en la pagina de wikimon entre "miembros verificados" y "digimon creados por la organización" (estoy seguro que pueden llegar a unos mejores nombres que estos, pero es para dar un ejemplo xD) --Convergencia Digital (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2017 (CDT)
 * Do you have the booklets from Ultimate Battle Set 3? --Ainz ( talk 08:14, 27 July 2017 (CDT)

No existe una manera en la que podamos hablar más fluidamente, Shadow Shinji xD? tengo algunas cosas que me gustaría saber si me puedes ayudar para implementar a esta wiki --Convergencia Digital (talk) 12:30, 13 September 2017 (CDT)

Lucemon
Why did you do this?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 06:58, 4 April 2019 (CDT)
 * Because that's what the profile actually says. It is not a rebellion against Lucemon but a rebellion by Lucemon, the same rebellion that is mentioned on Lucemon FM profile.--Convergencia Digital (talk) 18:17, 4 April 2019 (CDT)

Millenniummon
Can you please source this?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2020 (CDT)
 * The source is already there, cutscene 7 Digimon Collectors. Ancient Wisemon connects to another world and summons Milleniummon--Convergencia Digital (talk) 09:23, 24 August 2020 (CDT)
 * That part of the scene is not on Wikimon. Did you find it on YouTube or somewhere, and if so, could you link to it here? -- TMS (talk) 13:24, 24 August 2020 (EST)
 * That part is on wikimon. Ancient Wisemon (the phantom mirror) threatens the player and connects to another world before the battle of the event start and we know that that battle is against Milleniummon, since it appears on the banner of the event (it is also on wikimon)--Convergencia Digital (talk) 12:41, 24 August 2020 (CDT)
 * AncientWisemon appears in scene 30. Millenniumon is on the banner for scene 7, not scene 30. And neither scene has been translated, unless you have some other source. --TMS (talk) 14:22, 24 August 2020 (EST)
 * That's because scene 30 is the conclusion to all scenes that feature the library where ancient wisemon lives, one of which is scene 7, where "the phantom mirror" (AKA ancient wisemon) summons Milleniummon. Here's a translation: https://mobile.twitter.com/RavelMonte/status/1297263749884190724 --Convergencia Digital (talk) 13:26, 24 August 2020 (CDT)
 * Okay, I see. Thank you. But is the term "Ultimate Evil God" actually used in that context? --TMS (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2020 (EST)
 * Collectors cutscenes basically expands the lore established already in the official profiles. Not sure about this issue in particular, but it's obvious that creature from AncientWisemon's profile refers to Millenniumon (teories of why on). --Shadow Shinji (talk) 14:18, 24 August 2020 (CDT)
 * Rather, it's obvious that Collectors is referencing the profile. It does not mean that the profile was intended to refer to Millenniumon outside of Collectors. --TMS (talk) 15:21, 24 August 2020 (EST)
 * This photo from Scene 30 explicitly depicts the Phantom Mirrors, one of which Millenniummon was summoned through. They are clearly not AncientWisetmon itself, and there are specifically three of them. In addition, AncientWisetmon's profile talks about the mirror linking to a spirit world (異界), not merely other dimensions -- it mentions "another universe" in a similar context to how Piccolomon's profile describes magic as programming language. It could probably be interpreted as being linked to spirit worlds, plural, but it's not a vanilla separate dimension, and the general vibe of the profile is that AncientWisetmon is summoning some sort of eldritch spirit from a non-physical world (as indicated by the attack name, which references the Cthulhu Mythos), not simply another Digimon.
 * Even putting all that aside and assuming for the sake of argument that "ultimate evil god" refers to Millenniummon (which doesn't make sense lore-wise, since Zeed is the evil god, Mille is just a composite digimon), (1) the kanji grabbed from the profile are wrong, and (2) it's not even a title/epithet to begin with, it's just a descriptor. Wikimon shouldn't be confusing descriptors with epithets and getting all MCU Wiki on this, it waters down actual meaningful information. An epithet is a specific formal thing, and I strongly advise against going down a path that, as you can see at MCU wiki, would lead to including "Tall, dark, and ugly" for Indramon.
 * Also, "Sen'nen" is a completely valid pronunciation for millennium.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 14:32, 24 August 2020 (CDT)