Talk:JESmon

The trans parameter in the attacks doesn't seem to be meshing with the table headers.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2015 (CST)
 * Fixed. --Grandy02 (talk) 15:35, 23 January 2015 (CST)

Meaning of "JES"
According to Jesmon's technique: OS Generics (refer to generic programming), will "JES" stand for Java Enterprise System/Java Embedded Server or something start with Java XXX ? (Actually I know nothing of programming, when I search from the internet, it seems that java is related to generic programming)

Generics
From withthewill:

"EDIT: Found a way to justify "Aus Generics" without handwaviness, though to be fair "Os Generics" gives more results on google. "Aus Generics" can also be translated in German as "From/Of Generics". "Os Generics", meanwhile, would be portueguese for "The Generics". Both would evade the technobabble objection to "OS", and both are about equally supported on google as not only translations for ausu, but also used in conjunction with "Generics". "

So, what's your opinion? OS, Os, or Aus?KrytenKoro06 (talk) 10:34, 27 February 2015 (CST)
 * Technically, "the generics" in Portuguese would be "Os Genéricos". 09:24, 28 February 2015 (CST)
 * Just placing it here so I don't forget, "Avus Genericus" is Latin for 'Generative Ancestor' (Avus matches アウス in Classical Latin, but  is pronounced [v] in Church Latin. Genericus uses [g] in Classical, but [dʒ] in Church which would fit ジェネリクス). It doesn't make much sense, but phonologically it (somewhat) fits.--Garmmon (talk) 22:33, 21 June 2017 (CDT)
 * Yeah, sounds way better.KrytenKoro06 (talk) 11:15, 22 June 2017 (CDT)

The capitalization of "JES"
Why is the name being displayed this way when all official sources have it uncapitalized? It looks ridiculous and seems like it was changed just because someone else liked it better this way and wanted force it on everyone else regardless of what the official name is.
 * Agreed with this. It looks terrible and there's nothing that specifies it as such. I'd say the same goes for the Dorumon line. --Blaze Dragon (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2021 (GMT-3)
 * its either JESmon, EBEmon, BEMmon, and the DORUmon, or Jesmon, Ebemon, Bemmon, and the Dorumon. There is no source that capitalises the Doru in Dorumon so if it has to be DORUmon, then for consistency this has to be JESmon. there is no source that says "DORUmon", and yet we're using it. it is only listed here as DORUmon as its an acroym for Digital or uknown monster, therefore JESmon is justice edge swordsman. you cant have one capitliaised and not the other.Muur (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2021 (CDT)

Can you just quit with your god complex just admit that you changed this just so you could force your views on others without confirms sources. What's next? are you going to hack every piece of media and change the names to your imagined "Real Thing".
 * dude I'm not the one who put Dorumon to DORUmon. Check his talk page, I wanted Dorumon not DORUmon. It was put to DORUmon as it's an acronym. Muur (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2021 (CDT)

First of all, while you do have good reason to change it. I have a few questions, out of curiosity. Have you consulted with the higher ups first about the caps? It does strike me as much of a headache as using Hackmon/Huckmon or Blucomon/Bulucomon. Second, while you do ask about proof for the use of DORU in caps (it is a good question you do have), where’s the proof the name is supposed to be directly translated as JES? Without that, it’s making the change a bit too subjective IMHO. Anyways personally, I think it should be Jesmon mostly because while it’s true JES is an acronym. It does suspiciously sound too similar to Jesus, which Kenji Watanbe himself admitted when pronouncing his name. I could say for the pre-evolutions, that Baou means “Blade Lord”, and the use of Savior particularly—which does match with the saying “Our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.” If the connection isn’t enough, Re-46 literally calls him as the messiah—which no other card uses for any other Digimon. In some media too (Tri and ReArise specifically), Hackmon was a holy messenger, which again, seems to be another similarity. There’s probably more connections somewhere, but it does strike me a bit more than a coincidence. That and the dub uses Jesmon plain and simple. I don’t see anyone that actually uses JESmon, even with sub name/term conventions. I feel it should be more of a question on why DORU is all caps. I also realized there’s a whole lot of Digimon pages to change because they’re acronyms (outside of DRB lore). Cenrji (talk) 19:40, 23 December 2021 (CST)
 * yes, it was an admin who decided to caps acronym names. anyway the name isnt from jesus, bandai already debunked that officially.Muur (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2021 (CST)
 * Alright, so who in particular suggested that and do you have a source for that bit of info being debunked? And you telling me personally you aren’t the least bit convinced there’s no relationship to the name? Bandai could’ve easily said that statement to avoid controversy, but I suppose that’s too speculative. No matter. I was only just stating my subjective views anyways, which aren’t exactly meant to be taken for fact and I hold no weight on authority for the names. JESmon seems unnecessary to me, but that’s just me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cenrji (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2021 (CST)
 * https://twitter.com/jinke_jinke/status/841292804454154240 watanabe sad its a coincidence and bandai said its from "justice edge swordsman". https://twitter.com/bandai_digimon/status/982095833175801867 the sources were already on this page. anyway this was already talked to death at the time and the decision was to caps acronym digimonMuur (talk) 23:06, 23 December 2021 (CST)
 * FWIW I’m pretty sure your own Watanabe proof link proves the opposite of what you’re saying: he fully consciously “thought it might be good if it sounds like ‘Jesus’”. Chortos-2 (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * You're misunderstanding a mistranslation due to Google Translate. "響きとしてはイエスのように聞こえるのも良いかなと思いました" more accurately translates to "I thought it was good to hear that it sounded similar to Jesus". In essence, it's an unintentional coincidence, but Watanabe thought it was a pleasant surprise and liked the idea anyways.
 * Also keep in mind that the Tweet was in response to someone asking if Jesmon's name was related to Jesus. Watanabe didn't bring it up himself. He replied that "Jesmon's name is a coined acronym of various words" and basically followed up with "But I do think it's cool that it sounds like Jesus." --YongYoKyo (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * It seems to me that you’re translating it much the same way as I am. (As it happens, I speak some Japanese and want to believe I understand this sentence without Google Translate or similar. I’m far from a professional translator though.) He doesn’t make it explicit whether he thought this when he coined the name or at some later point in time. But given the past tense and the immediate context, I find it entirely plausible—indeed, likely—that it’s the former. I interpret it like this: “I made it as an acronym, and then I thought, hey, this sounds like Jesus, that’s cool! I wanna keep that.” He didn’t start with Jesus, but it sure sounds to me that he was aware of it. At the very least, it’s ambiguous enough that it doesn’t prove the opposite. Not that I was ever a fan of the Jesus Jesmon theory myself. Chortos-2 (talk) 14:42, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * More accurately, “I made it as an acronym, and I also kinda liked how it sounded like ‘Jesus’.” All in the same past tense describing the same event IMO. Chortos-2 (talk) 14:48, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * You're forgetting that when Bandai finally got around to officially publishing the etymological origin of Jesmon in the second Tweet, there is absolutely zero mention of 'Jesus'. There's no ambiguity there, and it should be enough proof to debunk any such theories. It's no longer an issue of plausibility, but that the 'Jesus' origin is not officially recognized, while the acronym is officially recognized as the origin.--YongYoKyo (talk) 15:12, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * You’ll note that I didn’t comment on the second link (it’s fine) nor on the rename (I’ll keep my opinion to myself). Chortos-2 (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2022 (CST)
 * My point is exactly because you didn't comment on it. Evidences do not exist in an isolated vacuum, especially when the evidences correlate with each other (i.e. the acronym). If you comment on one half of the evidence, you have to take into account how the second half of the evidence applies to it.
 * The second half of the proof dismisses any of the ambiguity you propose exists in the first half of the proof, so such ambiguity and theories built upon that ambiguity are irrelevant. Your argument only holds ground if the second half of the proof didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you can ignore the second half.--YongYoKyo (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2022 (CST)