User talk:Ainz/Archive 1

Gravity Wave
Yes, Gravitationswelle would be correct. Schwerkraftwelle would also work, since Schwerkraft is another word for Gravitation. But Gravitationswelle would be more proper. --MugenSeiRyuu

So are the names getting segmented again? lol--Daisuke Motomiya 03:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep. Unfortunately. --Ainz 03:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Ainz, I love how you always perfect the pages that I edit :) --Jun 00:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep! Just me doing my magic thing! --Ainz 03:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering, do you scan all the cards yourself? If so, do you have them all? I've been looking for complete scans for ages and was wondering if you had them, if you were willing to share. MK 20:14, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

No, we don't have any cards at all. The scans we use are from the Digimon Card Album, WtW is close to having all the cards in existence -- Ainz 07:50, 21 March 2008 (GMT)


 * I see. Would you be so kind as to link me to that Album? MK 14:41, 22 March 2008 (CDT)


 * The actual site no longer functions properly, however here's a site that displays all the cards present on the Album:

Hello, the episode layout update took out the title pictures should i upload new ones?

Just upload a screenshot including the title in it e.g.



--Ainz

Images
Hello i was wondering why you are taking off my rosemon burst mode picture. Is it not official or something? PLease get back to me.User:Ophanimon

where's the original source of the image, I don't know if it's official or not? --Ainz

Here's The adress http://thedigiport.com/enc_RosemonBM.phpOphanimon

If it's from there, that's not an official image, that's just an edited image from a Rosemon toei image, if I remember correctly it was mentioned that it was edited in their news section (archive). --Ainz

Sprites
The source I'm getting my sprites from does not state which game they come from and if they are official or not. I have done what you said and have put a link but I cant do all of them at the moment and will go through all of them and insert a link User:Ophanimon

I understand that you have to delete and if i find another source I will ask you if it is official before putting sprites on wikimon User:Ophanimon

This is a new site please give me the ok or tell me if its not a usable site http://fenrir.finalfantasyq.com/digimon/. 14:05,11,July 08 User:Ophanimon

They are all ripped from games, so they fall into the "official" category. But, if you're planning to upload them, you need to ask for permission first. --Ainz

Evo box
I made a new template, which standardizes and modularizes the evolution boxes. I'm gonna be working on it for a bit. It should save a lot of space and bandwidth and make editing articles easier. I'll add them to all the partner articles when I am done adding a few more features. Please give any suggestions you have (such as the colors it uses). MK 16:43, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

Looks good so far, I'll wait until its complete so I can suggest possible improvements. --Ainz 22:49, April 6 2008 (GMT)


 * Alright, I seem to have created a far more stable phase of the template. It only has a glitch where Armor Digimon will appear in bold, but that is due to a MediaWiki problem, so we'll have to just deal with that :P. I did them for the Japanese and American Digidestined in Adventure 01 & 02, and a few for Tamers. I haven't watched the other series (or the 2nd Tamers movie) so I will not do those yet. I will get on to watching them soon. I'll try to do the other international digidestined asap.


 * A shining example of the template (including the glitch): V-mon (Adventure). MK 21:49, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
 * ps. The reason the glitch occurs is because the #if statement uses | as a delimiter, so I was forced to use !. I don't see any way aroundit, it's simply a software limitation. MK 12:12, 7 April 2008 (CDT)

Video game sprites
I have another suggestion that I believe will make the wiki all the better. As you know there are quite a few instances of either not having an image of a Digimon, or having a relatively now quality image in its place. However, the recent Digimon games, in particular, the DS games, make use of high-quality sprites based on the card images. I believe these would be a perfect addition to the wiki, as well as provide better coverage for the games.

You most likely do not know, but I pioneered a similar project at Bulbapedia, a Pokemon encyclopedia in the same vein. This page details my sprite suggestions for them, and it worked out fine. The images do indeed fall under fair use laws so there would be no problems in that regard.

My structure for this wiki:

Any game sprite would be prefixed with spr_ in the file name. After that, an abbreviation of the name of the game would be placed. For example, if it was ripped from Digimon Story, it would be spr_DS. If the game is a first in a series a 1 will be added. Finally the Digimon's name, in a modular format, would be placed after (To save space, the mon suffix can be truncated). Any adjectives applied to the name can be put after. A few exaamples:


 * A Betamon from Digimon World: spr_DW1_Beta
 * An Agumon from Digimon Story: Moonlight: spr_DS_Agu
 * A Megalo Growmon from Digimon Battle Server: spr_DBS_Grow_Megalo_Vaccine

I believe this system will really help the wiki. The names are modularized as such for readability and ease of inclusion, especially via templates. The naming system regarding adjectives may look odd but it does indeed help as I've working with this system many times before. Remember the reader would not actually see the image names, just the image.

So, I'd like you to review my proposal and tell me what you think. I'm prepared to start ASAP, as I have many of the sprites already, and am getting others I do not have manually. Extending it to items and maps may even be a future option but is best done after this. The templates will save a /ton/ of space on the wiki as well.

What do you think? :) MK 01:55, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

This is a great idea and I definitely think it should go underway. Seeing how diverse and unique things are currently, this will bring Wikimon back to the top again. As for the naming system, since there are already some exceptions to the main rules, this could be addded as part of those exemptions. --Ainz


 * Awesome, thank you. I'll get started on it soon. I made a small change: all the sprites from Digimon Story are also in Sunburst and Moonlight, aside from a few isolated examples. As such, they'll just use "DS". MK 05:17, 19 April 2008 (CDT)


 * I starting uploading, got a few done but I need to go do some other stuff so I'll finish up later/tomorrow. Current progress: here. MK 11:03, 19 April 2008 (CDT)


 * Looking good so far! --Ainz

Templates
Is there anyway the text in the new attack template and the TCG template can be turned white? It is difficult to see with the default black background otherwise. --Lightlowemon 06:12, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

Yeah, I was thinking the same, so I've changed it to white. --Ainz 12:45, May 28 2008 (GMT)

Any updates on how to make the TCG section on the digimon pages have white text? Also, on card Dα-254, a Greymon,, it states When you evolve from this Digimon, treat this Digimon as a GeoGreymon as well, so what do I do with the evolutions, and how do I know which Agumon the evolutions are talking about?--Lightlowemon 02:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

To make the text white, add "color:white" to the table, e.g.

--Ainz

Templates (again)
I don't know what you changed, but the templates have gone crazy. Also can you explain to me how to use all the templates so I can continue doing my referencing and updating all at once? -Lightlowemon 01:39, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

Which templates? If it's to do with the ones for attack techniques, two of the templates which functioned alongside the older version of the main template, are set to become obsolete to make things easier to input. The same thing applies to the statistics template, so instead of using 10 separate templates, I've produced one master template to facilitate input. As for instructions, I've been really busy recently so I haven't had the chance to produce walkthroughs for them, but I'll put up a basic structure for both template guides. --Ainz 16:21, June 19 2008 (GMT)


 * I believe these would help show what I mean:
 * http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/Trainra/untitled1.jpg
 * http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/Trainra/untitled-1.jpg
 * The tabs have broken up which in turn causes them to try and all appear at once, this is with Firefox 3. Also thanks for the little walk-throughs. I'll try my best in updating them.-Lightlowemon 07:21, 20 June 2008 (CDT)

It's probably due to Firefox 3, before that it was working fine with Firefox 2, no idea why that's happened. --Ainz 17:29, June 20 2008 (GMT)

It works properly now, I'll try to get around to doing some more updates today. Also, I really like how you have made the notes green now. Easier to distinguish. --Lightlowemon 19:04, 20 June 2008 (CDT)

Why was I banned?
Yes, I am TonicDragoon. I thought it was noteworthy that Agumon from Digimon Next was once a GreyMon? Is that a reason to ban me? Couldn't you atleast have given me a warning? AnotherUser 09:53, 25 June 2008 (CDT)

sorry about that, I thought that it was one of those spam accounts seeing that &nbsp was repeated several times, I've unbanned the other account if you want to continue using it. --Ainz

The thing was to try and make greymon align to geogreymon. Yeah, I'd like to use that one. But it seems to be auto-blocked because of my I.p till tomorrow.

This is the message: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "TonicDragoon". The reason given for TonicDragoon's block is: "vandalism"

* Start of block: 14:43, 25 June 2008 * Expiry of block: 14:43, 26 June 2008

You may contact Ainz or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.

Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences and you have not been blocked from using it.

Your block ID is 177. Please include this ID in any queries you make.

Anyways, I was going to add a little bit to Geyrmon (Next), so I will using this account. If you wonder how I got around the banning system, I did it trough a proxy.

Evolution's Question
Your probably getting sick of my questions by now, sorry, but what so the different types mean, eg. some have a + between the two digimon whereas some have (with or without...) there, also do we label things such as Slide Evolution, Dark Evolution etc.? - Lightlowemon 01:59, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

Stuff like Slide Evolution, Dark Evolution, Burst Evolution should be added. Digimon with a specific and unique combination should have a plus in between them, the reason why some are labeled "(with or without...)" is because that Digimon can evolve from another on its own or jogressed with another. --Ainz

I was wondering why you deleted my page
Hello i was wondering wat gives you the right to go around and delete pages when you want to Ainz -- Ophanimon July,10,08

Read the rules! It clearly states "Fan Made digimon and characters are not allowed on Wikimon. This website is for official information only." If you want to put up fan fiction, then do it elsewhere, i.e Digimon Wiki, NOT here. --Ainz
 * Clarification: Digimon Wiki has a fan fiction section in the Community Part of the site. Please do not add fan fiction to the main articles, as some people do.KrytenKoro06 07:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Moves
I didn't piss you off by moving Puttimon and Pucchiemon, did I? I might be misinterpreting the recent moves, but it seems like I annoyed you.KrytenKoro06 03:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

You didn't annoy me; I thought it was about time official information/naming was fully incorporated, not "half-way in between". I've been doing it to similar articles recently as well as I'm also irritated in how the fandom completely disregard some spellings when they're officially released. It's also why I've discretely starting moving names in general to completely erase the spacing format that currently exists in article names, unless specifically done so by Bandai, i.e. Z'd Garurumon. --Ainz 03:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, good. I've never really liked those either, especially when the same people are the ones complaining about how the dub mistranslates everything (I've got to be fair, I've done that sometimes, but I try to stick to the truly silly mistranslations).
 * Pretty much every translated bio I've added over here, I've perfected an article over at the Digimon Wiki, to include all known appearances of the character (Puttimon, Relemon, Zurumon, and Arkadimon Child). If any of the information looks useful to you, go ahead and copy it (or I can) I'm going to try to do at least one or two of these a week, and hopefully be the time I die I'll have half of the species articles perfected.KrytenKoro06 03:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Since I apparently won't get a reply on the Community Portal, is it really necessary to move all the digimon to obvious misspellings of names by Bandai (Picklemon)? Also, some misspelled names I've seen don't even have a page on the Digimon Dictionary yet (AnDiramon?). --Devkyu 04:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Not all of them are misspellings, they have pages on virtual pet sub-sites i.e Digimon Mini, Digimon Accel, which are very unlikely to be changed when they are eventually added to the Digimon Dictionary. The problem is when people in the fandom see a name they completely disagree with, they just reject it completely and later assume that their translation is "official" when it is in no way official. Some of misspellings have justification for way they are written in their particular way, which is way I've been adding notes to support their choice - i.e. "Bantyoliomon", whether it's due a consistency error or not. As for Andiramon, the "ti" is the substitute of chi as the Japanese equivalent of the sanskirt "Andira" is "Anchira", but the "to"/"do" interchangeability thing happens sometimes in Japanese and Bandai have chosen to incorporate in Andiramon. Then why do people accept names such as Cerberumon when the katakana implies Kerberomon (from Kerberos), which is what Bandai officially, but yet reject other systematic things like Mercurymon and Neptunemon to Mercurimon and Neptunmon resectively. The point I'm trying to make is if Wikimon plans to use "official" information, then that official information cannot be disregarded at all otherwise it's a contradiction, it 's either official or not official at all, there's no room for being half way in between. This i way I've started adding "unofficial fandom names" to articles to fully clarify the distinction from what a name is truely, officilally called and what (some) people assume it to be named. --Ainz 30 August 2008, 06:31 (UTC)

I can understand some of the name moves, but I can't stand by when certain, horrible, obvious misspellings by Bandai are used, such as Picklemon. Even though it's not "OFFICIAL" I would rather stick by Megchan's standards, as she was an official translator for the series and obviously knew what she was doing. Wikimon is very much a continuation of her work and I trust her original judgment as to how the naming scheme should be. --Devkyu 06:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll change them back, but afterwards I will quit doing stuff here as a consequence as I can't cope with this-Ainz

No need to quit. I think you're just going overboard with certain name changes. There is a lot of other things that should be a higher priority than going OCD on name changes. I'm sorry if I've stressed you out, but some mistakes by Bandai are just ridiculous and could stand to be ignored on a fan site. --Devkyu 08:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out here that Bandai has never been consistent with names, so 'official' names are sort of pointless. Alraumon is "Aruraumon" in Digimon World (PS1), Digimon Story (DS), and Digimon Championship (DS). Yet, the name is correctly "Alraumon" in Digimon Story Dawn/Dusk (DS). Other names go back and forth as well. Pitchmon/Pitimon/Pichimon/Peachymon is "Pichimon" in Championship. I think names must be translated by looking at what they reference. Alraumon references a type of flower; "Aruraumon" is a direct romanization from someone who does not understand Japanese and/or does not know about that flower. Goblimon likewise goes back and forth between that and "Goburimon", another identical example.


 * I personally understand transliteration, so if you have a question, or if you need help or something regarding decisions to make, I can do them. MK 03:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As explained above, the name inconsistencies in Digimon World and associated games are on the dub side of things, not the original. We already have some names that are mispellings, like Greymon, and have a note at the bottom that, yes, this is a mispelling. Why should verification on the wiki be more beholden to English fans than the original producers? After all, there isn't consistency in how the English fansites name things - if they refuse to use the dub, they end up coming up with their own transliterations and translations, and not budging even when both the dub and the original agree. (See Puttimon and, in general, DMA Digimon bios for case-in-point). Yes, Megchan was a pillar of the fan-community, but this isn't "Wiki-Megchan".KrytenKoro06 08:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Personally, and as a fairly new editor I understand this doesn't bear that much weight, I tend to favor logic, etymology, and kana over romanizations from japanese sources - if there's one thing I've learned in Japanese, it's that romanization is more art than science, and going to the sources usually is more comprehensible. I suppose this really amounts to a desire to do a proper localization, since the official localizers have made a horrible mess of it... But even outside that, some of the spellings in the Digimon Dictionary just don't make sense (Including every instance of "Lio," "Chimaira," and even the venerable "Diablo." On the other hand, Kerbero and Xiao, for example, are fine). The Golux 17:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just as a question, what exactly is wrong with "Lio"? Isn't the animal's name spelled, well, "Lio"n? And "Chímaira" is exactly how it's pronounced in greek, so...maybe our problem is just that we expect one thing, and one spelling, and we might not be right? Seeing as there's so many instances like that, it would be incredibly hard to defend whatever we did as "correct" if we did the transliteration ourselves - Kokatorimon, for example, is "correct" (if by correct you mean "exactly how it's pronounced in Japanese"), and is even rational, as "tori" is an intended pun - both "Cockatrice" and "Chicken", if read in Japanese, but is not the normal "Cockatrimon" that fansites tend to use (which is, in this case, the official romanization, though). So first we'd have to know for a fact that our intended etymology was correct.

Case in point: for the longest time, fansites propagated that Sukamon's name meant this:
 * "Suka comes from sukatorojikaru, the Japanese spelling of scatological, which means having to do with excrement. "

It turns out the official romanization reveals the intended, much simpler meaning : Scumon.


 * So by denying the dub names as "not the real ones", and denying the official names as "nonsensical or badly romanized", we end up with something that is neither "real" or the intended meaning. Sure, it's a possibly obscure but legitimate reading of the first few letters - but there's no guarantee at all that it's what the namer intended.
 * For example, look at LoadKnightmon. It is a totally legitimate transliteration of "ロード", but it is completely and utterly ignorant of the intended meaning of the Japanese name.KrytenKoro06 19:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Essentially, yes. Also keep in mind we are obsessive compulsive, elitist bastards and naturally tend to get defensive over whichever transliterations we prefer. The problem is that with some names, five different transliterations could all be considered correct, and not to mention that the sources have a tendency to either not make sense according to the supposed origin of the name, or not be spelled consistently (Sukamon, Scumon; Kentarumon, Centalmon; Bantyo Leomon, Bantyo Liomon, etc). And even then, due to how the Japanese language is written, we can write those names different ways as well: BANTYOLEOMON, Bantyoleomon, Bantyo Leomon, BantyoLeomon. The fact is, only one thing is "correct" and will ever be correct: the katakana itself (バンチョーレオモン).

Also, with quite a few names, there are puns that only work with the katakana, an example being Lalamon, the pun being that her name comes both from Lala, sung notes, and also the Rara ayub plant that she resembles. And keep in mind the only likely reason some of the names of digimon are romanized on official Bandai websites at ALL is because it looks cool from a Japanese perspective. And along the same lines, Ulforce V-dramon is also likely Alforce V-dramon at the same time, seeing as he was designed by the author of V-Tamer: and Alpha plays well into the numerical theme (Taichi and Zeromaru making 100%, one of the main opponents being Omegamon (Alpha and Omega), and Saiba Rei's given name meaning "Zero").

So until we can all fluently read and understand japanese and no longer have a need to attempt to transliterate jumbles of kana into the roman alphabet, we will continue to drive each other up a wall over this. Because Digimon is serious business. -devkyu 20:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, for the Alforce/Ulforce thing there is one particular quote that implies that Ulforce is the actual translation - Bo-1112 (would have included furigana but the mark up for that has issues with FFox, Opera and some other browsers) --Ainz 14:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

How many people are for and against removing the spaces in Digimon names? It doesn't effect the Etymology.--Daisuke Motomiya 17:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Except for Z'd, they don't seem to serve any purpose, and they're definitely not meant to be surname givenname, so it's really wierd they're there in the first place.KrytenKoro06 18:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Sprites & Championship
Moved to the Community Portal

Alpha Evolve
I was just wondering, shouldn't "Digimon Battle Terminal" and "Digital Monster Card Game a" be split up for card-lists? I guess one is just an interactive form of the other, but the carddass site has separate play info and cardlists for the two of them.KrytenKoro06 08:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you are speaking about the "Full Card List" pages, all of the cards (original and alpha) were originally on a single page, but due to how huge the filesize of the page was becoming, it was split into two (Full Card List and Full Card List Alpha) to make it able to actually be loaded. There is no particular reason to really split it into three separate pages. In fact, I'm still annoyed I had to split it, because having all the cards on a single page made it easier when searching out cards for the TCG section of digimon pages with the Ctrl+F search. --Devkyu 09:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

If it also refers to individual Digimon pages with "Digimon Battle Terminal" and "Digital Monster Card Game Alpha cards listed under the same heading, I've started to set up a TCG conditional template which should be more efficient than the current table. I'm not sure whether to alter it to enable cards to be sorted into starter, booster (or miscellaneous) sets, especially for Hyper Coliseum. I'm also unsure of whether to include cards from countries outside Japan to make things more extensive. --Ainz 09:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I didn't realize the full card lists did it too. No, I was talking about the individual page thing.KrytenKoro06 22:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Card Wiki
At Digimon Wiki, we've started up a Card namespace which covers all cards, English and Japanese. You guys are welcome to any of the info you want - the only part of the Japanese cards we base on the dubbed version is the level.KrytenKoro06 01:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I was reading about how you were wondering how I coded the tabbed nav prominent on most of the card pages (as well as the main digimon articles), just wondering if you want this feature to be incorporated into Digimon Wiki? --Ainz 21:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. No one's replied to my idea yet (everyone seems to have left this weekend...), but I thought that for cards that were re-releases, with all data the same but the image (ex: a whole mess of Alpha cards), we could set up some kind of tab to switch between the different images. However, as of now we don't even have any scans of Japanese cards, because we've so far only asked the Card Terminal, and they gave an emphatic no. I was also trying to figure out how to get the image to display in a large cell to the left of the infobox, but I couldn't get it to work (and it's not totally necessary, either).KrytenKoro06 12:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. WtW always seems to think they're "superior" when it comes to information, when in actual fact most of it is inaccurate (i.e. The DMA containing a large number of fan-made images and inaccurate profile translations), which is the main reason why I've attempted to make this "area" obsolete.


 * For the tabbed navigation, here are the components for it to work:
 * Create MediaWiki:Tabber.js (also,  needs to be added to the MediaWiki:Common.js)

/*Copied from http://www.barelyfitz.com/projects/tabber/example.css used under mit license see http://www.barelyfitz.com/projects/tabber/ /* $Id: example.css,v 1.5 2006/03/27 02:44:36 pat Exp $ */
 * MediaWiki:Common.css:

/*-- REQUIRED to hide the non-active tab content. But do not hide them in the print stylesheet! --*/ .tabberlive .tabbertabhide { display:none; }

/*-- .tabber = before the tabber interface is set up  .tabberlive = after the tabber interface is set up  --*/ .tabber { } .tabberlive { margin-top:1em; }

/*-- ul.tabbernav = the tab navigation list li.tabberactive = the active tab --*/ ul.tabbernav { margin:0; padding: 3px 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #CCC; font: bold 12px Verdana, sans-serif; }

ul.tabbernav li { list-style: none; margin: 0; display: inline; }

ul.tabbernav li a { padding: 3px 0.5em; margin-left: 3px; border: 1px solid #ccc; border-bottom: none; background: #f2f7ff; text-decoration: none; }

ul.tabbernav li a:link { color: #448; } ul.tabbernav li a:visited { color: #667; }

ul.tabbernav li a:hover { color: #000; background: #fff9f2; border-color: #CCC; }

ul.tabbernav li.tabberactive a { background-color: #fff; border-bottom: 1px solid #fff; }

ul.tabbernav li.tabberactive a:hover { color: #000; background: white; border-bottom: 1px solid white; }

/*-- .tabbertab = the tab content Add style only after the tabber interface is set up (.tabberlive) --*/ .tabberlive .tabbertab { padding:5px; border:1px solid #CCC; border-top:0;

/* If you don't want the tab size changing whenever a tab is changed you can set a fixed height */

/* height:200px; */

/* If you set a fix height set overflow to auto and you will get a   scrollbar when necessary */

/* overflow:auto; */ }

/* If desired, hide the heading since a heading is provided by the tab */ .tabberlive .tabbertab h2 { display:none; } .tabberlive .tabbertab h3 { display:none; }

/* Example of using an ID to set different styles for the tabs on the page */ .tabberlive#tab1 { } .tabberlive#tab2 { } .tabberlive#tab2 .tabbertab { height:200px; overflow:auto; }

General syntax (might write an actual tutorial for this here):

Example: Content More content

--Ainz 21:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)