Talk:Kuramon

Bubbles
All the baby forms in Cyber Sleuth have Bubbles, so shouldn't that be added to the baby pages?Muur (talk) 16:16, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * Interesting question. Sunburst/Moonlight did something similar, where a lot of Baby, Child, and Adult Digimon shared signature attacks in common (seven Digimon, including Gomamon and Betamon, have an special called Water Shot; Tentomon isn't the only one with Petit Thunder as its special; etc.), and those haven't been added either. Cyber Sleuth is a little different in that it's only the Babies that share a common signature move. If people feel they should be added, I don't really see a problem with it. --TMS (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2018 (EST)
 * If you're able to verify both the Japanese names of the moves in Dawn/Dusk that'd be neat, as I've been wanting to put them on the Digimon Wiki but also need the Japanese name lol. For example, Lunamon has "Demi Dart", but is that actually Demi Dart - ect.Muur (talk) 19:14, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * I think I've found a website I can use to get them. I'll put a full list together. --TMS (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2018 (EST)
 * So... I... tried. Not sure what the coding problem is on the ones I did but I suppose if you fix them, I'll be able to understand from now/the future. Also, all baby forms had the same Bubbles move, it wasn't till HM all the babies got their own moves (including Tsunomon getting the 'different' "awa", so he has had both over the two games lol). it's a shame they didn't keep bubbles, Arcadiamon having Bubbles would've been worth it.Muur (talk) 21:54, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * Fixed it. I think the problem was that for the last attack you're supposed to use "l" instead of the number. --TMS (talk) 23:25, 3 September 2018 (EST)
 * Oh shit, that explains a lot. Kuramon wasn't the only baby form I fucked up, so I think that's why on each one, tbqh. BTW, I looked up the source as I couldn't find "Glare Eyes" plural and it seems "Digimon Battle" referred to is as plural... which is pretty friggin dumb, he has one eye! I'm talking dub of course, Japanese sources are harder to find (Except for Hacker Memory, ShadowShak has the entire attacks on his YT bar a few in both English and Japanese). Also wtf is l if it's not 1Muur (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * Oh, Digimon Battle. I hadn't thought of that, since I wasn't able to find the Korean attack names for the game's Baby Digimon. The thing you use in place of a number is a lower-case L, I assume for "last." --TMS (talk) 23:33, 3 September 2018 (EST)
 * Oh weird, I thought it was 1. Prob stuff effed a few up then. Anyway if you do collect Dawn/Dusk names, you don't need to get the dub ones - we already have them here - https://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Digimon_World_Dawn_and_Dusk/Digimon_Gallery . I'm also going through Hacker's Memory/Cyber Sleuth right now (im only half way into the Champions though) but I've been added the dub names I've been coming across etc. (some of them anyway, I think). If not, I can have a run through later. No idea of the Korean attack names but if this is to be believed, we have the English attack names (provided we can assume Glare Eyes = Glare Eye I guess lol) https://digimonbattle.wikia.com/wiki/Kuramon Muur I have the HM page here https://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Digimon_Story:_Cyber_Sleuth_-_Hacker%27s_Memory/Field_Guide (talk) 22:44, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * I'm currently gathering the Sunburst/Moonlight names (for the signature moves, at least). I do have some reservations about adding some of them, since they really are generic attacks treated as signature moves. A lot of them are just borrowed from other Digimon, or use a generic name that describes several different signature attacks (like using Bone Strike to evidently represent Ogremon's Bone Club, Hanumon's Nyoi Bone, and Mojyamon's Bone-Bone Boomerang). It's kind of a gray area. Anyway, presumably Glare Eyes is Glare Eye, but with two different systems of dub names involved, clashing both with each other and with the original, it can be hard to tell just what the hell an attack is supposed to be until you see it. Things get really tangled at times. In the case of Masters, some sources can't even agree on what the English name for an attack is. The Masters wikia, its other wiki, and YouTube videos might all give different names. There's also a few cases where it appears that an attack is unique to the Korean games, with no Japanese equivalent. I may add some of those once I finish getting it all sorted out. --TMS (talk) 23:57, 3 September 2018 (EST)
 * I've been using Youtube for Masters, with the DMO Wikia as a back up if it's not on YT... but there's very little English content on YT - so I've been having to trust the DMO Wiki for Masters. If only I didn't hate PC and mobile gaming. For Links, I've been using http://growlmon.net/database/digimonstats but tbh... I haven't been double checking that often for dudes in the original 249, because they literally copied the field guide of Cyber Sleuth, so I just assume they're the same. I've been checking for new dudes like Zubamon, though as they weren't in the original CS. As for the HM I've been doing, I use the game/ShadShak's YT page as he has... most Japanese attacks there, so any I add for HM are verified through YT and my own copy of the game and I have the sources in both English and Japanese attacked to my field guide page, so anything I add onto your pages here for HM, I've personally verified in both English and Japanese. A few times I've gone through every source possible to find out what was named what when (in the dub) and have found multiple claims that are outright bullshit that were listed on both Wikia. Pandamon's plural "Animal Nails" for example. I found no evidence in any appearance that it was plural. What was also interesting was having multiple attacks dubbed as Razor Wind. (for Reppamon) ...Rolling Attack doesn't even make sense to be dubbed as that but well... it is in CS/Links/HM. Also... MetalGarurumon. He's a mess. Anyway I agree with you with Dawn/Dusk tbh, I have no intention of listing "Demi Dart" for Lunamon on the DW if you prove that it is indeed Demi Dart and not the dubbers effing up "Tearing Shot", or something. I likely will list some of the "generic attacks" though, if theyre new (and only the exclusive moves, we're not interesting in inheritable moves) anyway HM/CS seem more interesting, as quite a few moves aren't from the DRB. For example, ShellNuemon's Mature Poop, or SuperStarmon's SuperStar Uppercut. I also intend to go through Next Order - however, I only have the English attack names and have no source for Japanese. I REALLY hate the Next Order dubbing team, because they reverted 99% of stuff to the Japanese terms. I'm not being a "dub purist" or whatever, it's just jarring to have stuff reverted after 20 years... for literally one game.Muur (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2018 (CDT)
 * Here's the file I made, listing all of the Baby/Child/Adult signature moves: http://www.mediafire.com/file/cmd9scl8simlfi8/Sunburst-Moonlight+Common+Specials.docx Looks like the only unique special that the game introduced (besides those for the debuting Coronamon/Lunamon lines) was Revolmon's Quick Shot, which is already listed on its page. The grayed out lines are the Digimon who have their usual techniques. I believe that the Perfect and Ultimate Digimon all have actual signature attacks. I can finish checking that later. --TMS (talk) 01:08, 4 September 2018 (EST)
 * Just noticed I made a small mistake. What I have as Holy Shot is actually Holy Shoot. This means that Kudamon and Unimon shouldn't be grayed-out, since they have Holy Shoot in addition to their usual Holy Shot. I've reuploaded the file with the changes. --TMS (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2018 (EST)
 * Good you spotted it before I started using it I guess lol. I'll have a run through now, starting with the cute and cuddly baby forms.Muur (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2018 (CDT)
 * You want the shit like Demi Darts on Lunamon and other shared/generic moves added?Muur (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2018 (CDT)
 * I added literally everything for the DW from DD for the baby-champion. If you want DD moves on here you may as well state which ones you want, as I put everything into the DW whilst if you dont want certain ones, you'd be better off telling me which you don't want (or maybe the ones you do want?) and yeah, if you go through the Ultimates and Megas there might be a few new moves.Muur (talk) 20:33, 4 September 2018 (CDT)
 * Right now I'm still debating with myself whether Pico Darts and the rest should be added. I don't know if all of them should be added, or just the ones that aren't taken from another Digimon (Water Shot, etc.). Like I pointed out before, some of them seem to be stand-ins for attacks already listed on the Digimon's page, which further complicates things. I'll get back to you on that, and would be interested in hearing other peoples' opinions, if we can get them. By the way, there's no need to have two entries for San no Awa on a Baby Digimon's page. The DS games just use hiragana to spell out kanji phonetically. 酸の泡 and さんのアワ are the same attack. --TMS (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2018 (EST)
 * My bad on the San no Awa, I don't know Japanese. Different letter meant different moves to me. It also effected Awa on a few other babies that I've sorted. They should be all good now. I do think those moves should all be added since a Special attack" is a special attack even if it's borrowed. Like, if Agumon suddenly used Blue Blaster in Tri part 6, it'd get added here I figure.Muur (talk) 00:19, 5 September 2018 (CDT)